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 Post subject: Shields as Weapons
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:29 pm 

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So, I'm reposting some things that have been lost from the old board, but are kinda (REALLY) important to my character.

Shields are weapons since they are listed on the weapons table.

When you put runes on a shield they operate as either weapon runes or as shield runes but not as both.

Martial characters get weapon training with their national shields.

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 Post subject: Re: Shields as Weapons
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:55 pm 

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@Pedro: I would like to say, I would like shield runes to count as both, seeing as double weapon runes count as both sides.


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 Post subject: Re: Shields as Weapons
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:11 pm 
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deviknyte wrote:
@Pedro: I would like to say, I would like shield runes to count as both, seeing as double weapon runes count as both sides.


That would be way too powerful to have 1 rune count twice for 2 different types (a defense and offense). Double weapon runes work because it's still just '1 weapon' and you generally use both sides in your attacks. You are also still limited to the same number of runes on a single weapon (Double weapons don't get double the rune slots)

Shields also have the best weapon trucks available to them (shield slam I'm looking at you).

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 Post subject: Re: Shields as Weapons
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:33 pm 

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It would just make shield's simpler.


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 Post subject: Re: Shields as Weapons
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:51 pm 
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deviknyte wrote:
It would just make shield's simpler.


Simpler and one of the most powerful weapons in the game if they could treat a single rune as both Weapon and Shield.

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 Post subject: Re: Shields as Weapons
PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:07 pm 
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I agree with John. You'd see people walking around with a shield strapped to each arm. Ooh. Talk about TWF cheese. :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Shields as Weapons
PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:14 pm 

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DeadZone wrote:
I agree with John. You'd see people walking around with a shield strapped to each arm. Ooh. Talk about TWF cheese. :shock:

Scott


Pathfinder had this for a while (fixed in the 3rd or 4th errata iirc). The way the shield tree feats worked, the best weapons were a pair of shields. Definitely cheesy...

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 Post subject: Re: Shields as Weapons
PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:21 pm 

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Yeah, this comment thread is pretty ridiculous.

the effect of me having my shield runes count both ways is my avalanche rune would once per something(encounter?) give me an extra d6 of non exploding damage and I would get 1 AR vs cold.

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 Post subject: Re: Shields as Weapons
PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:15 pm 
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SamhainIA wrote:
Yeah, this comment thread is pretty ridiculous.

the effect of me having my shield runes count both ways is my avalanche rune would once per something(encounter?) give me an extra d6 of non exploding damage and I would get 1 AR vs cold.


You'd effectively get 2x the rune slots on shields. If that's not overkill, I don't know what is.

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 Post subject: Re: Shields as Weapons
PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:27 pm 

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the comparison was made to double weapons but keep in mind it was devin that made the comparison not me

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