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 Post subject: None Shall Stand Who Oppose the Gods vs. Smite Infidel
PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 12:09 pm 
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As written, the Bloodline ability merely grants you the Smite Infidel talent with no real advantage over the base form of the talent (and not removing the limitations and requirements thereof) beyond granting an additional usage if you already have the talent.

In the 3.5 rules, it was ruled (at least where I was playing) that the Smite ability of the val'Virdan/val'Emman became "Smite Everyone-who-is-not-me" instead of Smite Infidel. Is it unreasonable to make a similar ruling in regards to None Shall Stand Who Oppose the Gods (ta)? After all, having a Smite Infidel on a Mourner Character seems odd to me.

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 Post subject: Re: None Shall Stand Who Oppose the Gods vs. Smite Infidel
PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 12:38 pm 

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A smite infidel from a mourner, would become smite theist, or smite non-mourner, in my opinion.

As for the change, I think because we're trying to avoid errata, we can live without this one.


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 Post subject: Re: None Shall Stand Who Oppose the Gods vs. Smite Infidel
PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 9:54 pm 
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Smite Infidel may already be the most powerful combat talent at Tier 1. A couple of times Eisener has straight up killed common foes with it. The inability to use it on some foes is its only drawback. None Shall Stand Who Oppose the Gods doesn't need to be any different.

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 Post subject: Re: None Shall Stand Who Oppose the Gods vs. Smite Infidel
PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 2:21 am 
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I figured as much. Just a thought.

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 Post subject: Re: None Shall Stand Who Oppose the Gods vs. Smite Infidel
PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:44 am 
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deviknyte wrote:
A smite infidel from a mourner, would become smite theist, or smite non-mourner, in my opinion.


As an aside I'm not sure how a Mourner should get access to this talent.

It's a Devout Talent so nominally you would need to be a Divine Caster which presents obvious problems. I guess you potentially could be a "rationalist" who still honors the memory and examples of the Gods even as you curse the the corrupted power grabbing of the modern churches. Such a figure I guess could become a Sword Saint and gain access that way.

Or you could be a val'Virdan Mourner with "None Shall Stand Who Oppose the Gods." I appreciate the irony in that case, though I don't think that's great for your character's life expectancy once your cousins learn of your philosophical leanings ...

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 Post subject: Re: None Shall Stand Who Oppose the Gods vs. Smite Infidel
PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 7:09 pm 

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val Holryn wrote:
Or you could be a val'Virdan Mourner with "None Shall Stand Who Oppose the Gods." I appreciate the irony in that case, though I don't think that's great for your character's life expectancy once your cousins learn of your philosophical leanings ...
One can't help your val powers. So a val'Virdan Mourner with None Shall Stand Who Oppose the Gods isn't out of the question. Not all val'Mordanes want to be come lichs, but if that is where their blood takes them then what choice do they have.


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 Post subject: Re: None Shall Stand Who Oppose the Gods vs. Smite Infidel
PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 9:48 pm 
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I'd get a kick out of a (probably short lived) val'virdan who ran around shouting, "None shall stand who support the gods!!!"

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 Post subject: Re: None Shall Stand Who Oppose the Gods vs. Smite Infidel
PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:29 pm 

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I know that their blood is the gifts from the gods, but I never thought of bloodline abilities as divine powers. Magical, psionic or arcane, but never thought of racial abilities as divine.


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 Post subject: Re: None Shall Stand Who Oppose the Gods vs. Smite Infidel
PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:50 pm 
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deviknyte wrote:
I know that their blood is the gifts from the gods, but I never thought of bloodline abilities as divine powers. Magical, psionic or arcane, but never thought of racial abilities as divine.


Generally speaking VAL talents are racial and not devout. my mourner comment is just a side thought.

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 Post subject: Re: None Shall Stand Who Oppose the Gods vs. Smite Infidel
PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:19 am 

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That's what I'm saying. A val power that grants smite infidel, the target would come from that val's mind. So if that val has a religion, then his smites would target those not of it. A mourner or atheist val would smite those with religion. Make sense?


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