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 Post subject: Re: Runes as sources of elements for spells
PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 7:37 am 
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I need to take that as a sign to stop thinking like some of the PCI members :P :lol:



Don't you dare stop...

Write a few adventures darn you

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 Post subject: Re: Runes as sources of elements for spells
PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 1:17 pm 

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PCI_StatMonkey wrote:
Write a few adventures darn you


Bah. My writing is shoddy at best. Hell you've seen my stories on here.

That and this specific adventure would be a tad too gruesome for writing or Living Arcanis ratings approval :P

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 Post subject: Re: Runes as sources of elements for spells
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On a similar line, could a lasting spell act as a source?

Example. Elemental Aura (fire) act as a source of fire since the caster is surrounded in the energies of the element? Maybe a Nier Priest casts Elemental Aura, followed by Blade of Our Lord using Elemental Aura as a source?

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 Post subject: Re: Runes as sources of elements for spells
PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 2:34 am 
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Weiblich wrote:
On a similar line, could a lasting spell act as a source?

Example. Elemental Aura (fire) act as a source of fire since the caster is surrounded in the energies of the element? Maybe a Nier Priest casts Elemental Aura, followed by Blade of Our Lord using Elemental Aura as a source?


Form the discussion on Runes its sounds like different judges have different interpretations. Personally I do not think using an elemental source extinguishes the source. Unless explicitly stated otherwise I think the source is supposed to be merely a "gateway" for the energies you are trying to harness. But other (smart) people have different feelings on the topic. If that tactic is important to you mention it to your judge before you start play.

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 Post subject: Re: Runes as sources of elements for spells
PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:01 pm 

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I'm responding a little off topic regarding extinguishing the source, but usually i think runes are an ok source.

my basic opinion, is it cinemataticly cool and not gaming the system, then YES awesome do it.
Example I want to shoot a flaming elemental bolt from my sword thats sheathed in fire from a fire rune. (repeatedly)

if its not cinematic, and not gaming the system I'm ok with it.
Example, I use my torch to fire an elemental bolt of fire (repeatedly)

if its not cinematic and is gaming the system just no... and i want you to consider how you came to the conclusion you did
Example, I carry around some matches and use elemental bolts of fire from that repeatedly
(aside from the anachronism inherent in that)

if it is cinematic and it is gaming the system ... maybe with a fate point
Example I forcibly draw on the soul of the nierite (doing the same amount of damage to him) to fire an elemental bolt of fire at the enemy.

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 Post subject: Re: Runes as sources of elements for spells
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Thanks Josh

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 Post subject: Re: Runes as sources of elements for spells
PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 5:51 pm 
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Weiblich wrote:
On a similar line, could a lasting spell act as a source?

Example. Elemental Aura (fire) act as a source of fire since the caster is surrounded in the energies of the element? Maybe a Nier Priest casts Elemental Aura, followed by Blade of Our Lord using Elemental Aura as a source?


I would have no issue with this...

the element is still "there" so you can use it before it's gone...

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 Post subject: Re: Runes as sources of elements for spells
PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:29 pm 

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About certain Vals being able to be a source for different types of elemental spells. I would like to point out that These are "extra abilities" for the Val Dellenov, Ossan, Tensen and Virdan that the other Val's do not have. If you make things to hard for other eldrich mages then these 4 Val's are considerably better for eldrich Mages then the other Val's and humans. Elorii (elder mages) are all even except for the Ardakene (which are usually divine).
It seems to me that These 4 Vals and the elorii are sources for their own elements because it make sense in a cinematic way.
Also remember a rune costs 5 gold so it isn't really cheap.
One more thing, why are the Val'emman not sources for fire. Their Bloodline talents (The dancing flame, and the flickering flame) are much more related to fire than the Val'Virdan bloodline talents (None shall stand who oppose the gods and judgment awaits the unworthy) The Val'emman were also at one time "the greatest bloodline of those val decended from the Valinor of Nier"


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 Post subject: Re: Runes as sources of elements for spells
PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:05 pm 
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It has been clarified that the val'Emman ARE sources of Fire. What we don't know (as it hasn't been clarified) is if other Vals of Saluwe', Yarris, Nier, and Hurrian (such as the val'Haupt). It makes sense, but it hasn't been clarified. It has been stated val'Holryn's are also sources appropriate to their manifested power. I'm personally not a fan of this, but that's what PCI has said.

As for the "Elemental Vals" being unfair to the rest of the races. . . well, nobody ever said that the races were made fair. Then again, they are a LOT more balanced than they were in 3.5.

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 Post subject: Re: Runes as sources of elements for spells
PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:20 pm 
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Nierite wrote:
@Pedro (or other PCI rules virtuosos): Does an elemental spell use up a source if using--say--a waterskin or torch? How does this work for--say--a fire rune?



Nope it does not "use it up"

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