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 Post subject: Two questions re: Sarishan Sorc-Priests and Psionics
PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:09 pm 
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1. You can take the Arcane background with the S S-P as the source or you can take the Divine background and still gain S S-P as the source using Charisma for Arcanum (Sorcery). My question stems from the fact that in order to be a true Sarishan (IE the Path) you have to go the Divine route to become an Anointed Priest first. If that is the case, then is it just Sanctorum Mage or Magi that an Arcane S S-P can become?

2. Is there a way to be fully Psionic using Charisma as a casting stat? I know there is the Limited Talent from Codex of Heros, but the only way to get that is by taking the Path that only allows you to learn very few spells, right?

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 Post subject: Re: Two questions re: Sarishan Sorc-Priests and Psionics
PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:20 pm 
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Unless I'm mistaken, you can become a Sorcerer Priest of Sarish either via arcane or Divine. Both use Charisma as the casting stat, and both are equally viable paths for later priestliness.

Undisciplined Psion (ba) gives you Ch for casting, thou you still need the min insight to get the Arcane Spellcasting talent.

Combining the two. . . you cannot have any spellcasting with Undisciplined Psion at character creation (even Prestidigitation), but with an Expert Build you could get both eventually.

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 Post subject: Re: Two questions re: Sarishan Sorc-Priests and Psionics
PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:35 pm 
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Thanks so much! I incorrectly made the assumption that you had to be Divine to become an Anointed Priest (and then Sarishan Sorcerer-Priest).

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 Post subject: Re: Two questions re: Sarishan Sorc-Priests and Psionics
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Nierite wrote:
Unless I'm mistaken, you can become a Sorcerer Priest of Sarish either via arcane or Divine. Both use Charisma as the casting stat, and both are equally viable paths for later priestliness.

Undisciplined Psion (ba) gives you Ch for casting, thou you still need the min insight to get the Arcane Spellcasting talent.

Combining the two. . . you cannot have any spellcasting with Undisciplined Psion at character creation (even Prestidigitation), but with an Expert Build you could get both eventually.


??. The background says, "Special (Restriction): You may not take this Background if you possess ANY spell casting ability." I thought that was at step 6 of character creation. So you couldn't be an arcane or divine archetype and take that background. But it seemed clear that step 9 of character creation occurs after step 6. Can't you take prestidigitation and ASC at step 9 still? It seems very weird to gain access to a talent from your background, and not be allowed to take it later in character creation. Is there errata?

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 Post subject: Re: Two questions re: Sarishan Sorc-Priests and Psionics
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You are not allowed to have Prestidigitation or the Arcane or Divine spell casting talents at all during character creation if you take the Unsdisciplined Psion background. That was the official word from Pedro on the old forums

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 Post subject: Re: Two questions re: Sarishan Sorc-Priests and Psionics
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:19 pm 
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SamhainIA wrote:
You are not allowed to have Prestidigitation or the Arcane or Divine spell casting talents at all during character creation if you take the Unsdisciplined Psion background. That was the official word from Pedro on the old forums


Agreed.

If you were patient enough you could double down on Undisciplined Psion and being a Sarishian Sorcerer Priest if you went Expert (or Martial) and then took a relevant path like Initiate Itinerant to get SP spell casting. Though IMO your talents gets spread *really* thin if you try to do double casting from the expert archetype.

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 Post subject: Re: Two questions re: Sarishan Sorc-Priests and Psionics
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:30 pm 

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Funny, i was just considering a Divine / Undisciplined Expert, so shush you! ( I say with a laugh )

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 Post subject: Re: Two questions re: Sarishan Sorc-Priests and Psionics
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:04 pm 
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toddpmorgan wrote:
Thanks so much! I incorrectly made the assumption that you had to be Divine to become an Anointed Priest (and then Sarishan Sorcerer-Priest).


I don't have my books in front of me, but check the Path requirements; you need a specific background or Path for access (which may restrict your construction even for Sorcerer Priest).

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 Post subject: Re: Two questions re: Sarishan Sorc-Priests and Psionics
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:45 pm 

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SamhainIA wrote:
You are not allowed to have Prestidigitation or the Arcane or Divine spell casting talents at all during character creation if you take the Unsdisciplined Psion background. That was the official word from Pedro on the old forums


Honestly, players should not be beholden to information that was posted on the old board that no one can access anymore, including stuff that never made it to official errata. It frustrates new players and old players alike. You can't expect players to scour a website in numerous different spots to find something that might or might not be pertinent. Proper or not, I do not consider such things as official.

This is something I feel very strongly about, if you can't tell and gets my dander up. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Two questions re: Sarishan Sorc-Priests and Psionics
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:52 pm 

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SamhainIA wrote:
You are not allowed to have Prestidigitation or the Arcane or Divine spell casting talents at all during character creation if you take the Undisciplined Psion background. That was the official word from Pedro on the old forums


I thought it was squishier than a firm ruling. I thought he was considering if you could take it in step nine or not. I thought an actual change would be put in a more official announcement, since it is a change, rather than a clarification. Either way doesn't matter much (unless you really want unravel the thread), except that it seems to me there should be a better way of finding changes to the rules than, "someone said something once on the board." IF this is an official change, shouldn't this be in the errata, or at least in the "things to go in the next edition of the errata" thread?

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