SamhainIA wrote:
so the problem is that folks are not recognizing that the Rules don't have to follow other rules, they can grant things that are not allowable for players to choose.
shields are the discussed item here, and the basic argument is that an archtype can't (shouldn't?) grant Armor Proficiency Shield (Small Shield), because shield doesn't list out specific types its an all or nothing thing.
Yes. Partly. If Coryani and Elorii Nations effectively grant Armor Proficiency Shield but other nations grant some "random" sub-set of that Talent then every Martial character from another nation is at a mechanical disadvantage (not only do they have to take Armor Proficiency Shield but it is almost completely wasted as they already likely have proficiency with most shields).
There are plenty of places in the rules where they dictate choices (often granting more/fewer choices) and ignore prereqs. However, I can't think of a single other instance anywhere in the rules where a partial Talent is granted when the Talent does not have any choices/options when taken normally.
SamhainIA wrote:
So there was a similar argument on the old boards about the Paths from Hunter of the Order of St. Tancred, that grants "Monster Lore: Infernals"
On reading of the Monster Lore talent, Infernals is not an allowed option, but that Path steps outside the normal rules for a moment and grants that in specific.
Maybe it's just me but I see them as two completely different circumstances. In the case of Monster Lore, the path grants a specific choice for a Talent that normally has a choice (it grants a choice not normally allowed but so do others such as Loyal Companion granted by the Val'Dellenov Bloodline Talent).
SamhainIA wrote:
people are breaking out "balanced" in arguments and I don't understand why, you do realize that some nations have a better aptitude with war than others right? that's what those lists are representing, I would be really interested to hear your reasoning for why , the Hinterlanders started using tower shield all of the sudden.
I was going to use Milandir as a counter-example and ran across this bit. Codex of Arcanis (in ARPG) says this about Military in Milandir:
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armor is left to the individual soldier to provide for himself. Most conscripts do own armor, as Milandir has fought several wars in the last two centuries, and equipment and spoils have been passed down from father to son.
Given that, I would expect Milandir's armor/shield list to be any from the nations they warred against. Interesting but not really germane to this discussion.
I think, at this point, I'll take a step back for a bit and just watch the conversation...