Nierite wrote:
The only way for you to qualify for Devout Talents which specify a deity other than your own would be through Paths or Backgrounds that you are legally able to take. For example, an otherwise Illiirite Psionic Inquisitor gets "Sarishan Training" as a talent as part of the path, indicating special training in the practices of another deity.
The bolded section is the question. Once one has access to take devout talents, what does it mean to have a diety? Can you, in effect, decide that you worship 2? We know that in the campaign you can not be a spell caster of two, but if a can a character be a devout enough follower of two dieties to say, "they are both my dieties," and thus take devout talents from both gods. I think the answer is of course no, but I thought we should clarify the answer to the question that started this thread to multiple formats (not just spellcasting).
Nierite wrote:
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2. Following that question, what happens with regards to devout talents when one becomes an orthodoxy guy with casting from two deities? Can you now take devout talents from two (and just two) deities?
As long as the talents are not Limited and are available to all characters (so long as they worship that god) then you should be able to take them.
This answer confuses me, since if a character says that they are worshipping two gods (or more) gods this sounds like it's allowed, when I think in general its not. I assume what you're trying to say is that a character that qualifies for pantheonistic can pull from the devout talents of both gods they are studying, but I want to make sure they don't qualify for all.
Nierite wrote:
As far as I'm aware, if you have Duel Faiths (ta) then you should be able to use runes of multiple dieties as long as the bonus stacks. For example, if you gain a +1 bonus from one god and a +1 bonus from the other, they are similar bonuses from the same source, therefore one would subsume the other. This question, however, would be more appropriate for Matt to answer.
How many multiple? Two, or all?
Nierite wrote:
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4. To beat a dead horse that keeps kicking, what happens with Pantheonistic males and Saluwe and females and Illiir when they progress through the orthodoxy? i.e., I know to be a caster of Saluwe one needs to be a female, but what about a male of caster of Hurrian who wants to take Saluwe as their second god – are they welcome, or does it need to be a female priestess of Hurrian to be allowed? Before you answer that, riddle the tier III “with one voice” pantheonistic spell (Illiir/saluwe). If one needs to be male to be a caster of Illiir, and be female to be a caster of Saluwe, is this an example of a spell that shouldn’t exist?
The gender split is a CULTURAL aspect of the MOTHER CHURCH and its derivatives, not the Orthodoxy. The Orthodoxy is designed to reunify the temples so they would be willing (through Duel Faiths) teach people of the opposed sex the spells. However, they would meet all the usual objections within society that they would otherwise have. As such, you can't have a male caster of Saluwe (ONLY saluwe) who says "I learned it from the Orthodoxy so it's cool!" because the Orthodoxy works within the Church, and is a SECRET society. They will secretly teach a male illiirite Saluwean stuff, but in public they are still an Illiirite priest and must fit the social norms appropriate to that.
It was my understanding from something that Henry had posted previously that it was not just cultural, there is an actual mechanistic difference between male/female casters in the churches of Saluwe and Illiir. It made me wonder about the fact that there are only two known priestess's of Illiir, and they both had contact with Valinor and rose to powerful positions. It would be interesting to know how their powers differ from their male counterparts. I just reread the posts that made me think that, and found I might very well be wrong about it being mechanical, not just social restrictions, but I still thought I should check.
And about it being secret, is it possible to cast an illiirite saluwean spell without openly calling upon both dieties? I just wonder if casting that in front of people of either sects would then get you burned at the stake.
Nierite wrote:
As far as I'm aware Coryan doesn't have a tradition of Eunichs, and nor does any other Known Land nation. Any male eunich would likely be treated as a man, however.
Works for me