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| Author: | wilcoxon [ Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Questions about Blessed Lands Book |
Where do the new languages fit into the language hierarchy? The following languages (at least) need to be placed: Dailish, Hunai, Maghir. |
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| Author: | Nierite [ Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Questions about Blessed Lands Book |
Based on the text, Maghir is related to Yhing Hir, which means it would fit into the Khitani language family (which makes sense since they come 'from the west'). Hunai and Dailish are unknown. |
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| Author: | wilcoxon [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Questions about Blessed Lands Book |
Runic Tattoo looks like it is supposed to have a "special" of "this talent is no longer limited". Otherwise it is impossible to get beyond tier 2 benefits (since the only way to obtain it is by the two levels of Runic Warrior path). |
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| Author: | Nierite [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Questions about Blessed Lands Book |
You are correct. Runic Tattoo should read at the end: Special: Once you acquire this Talent, it is no longer a Limited Talent for you. |
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| Author: | toodeep [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Questions about Blessed Lands Book |
So how does having the Blessed Lands as a starting region work? I assume from what is shown that you pretty much decide where in the blessed lands you are raised (First City, among the Andyar, in a Citadel, etc.) I'm surprised Citadel is an option, but it is in the weapons and armor sections. Are there really families and kids living at these places long enough to count as being raised there? What happens if you are raised in the Ansharan one - can you take weapon prof unarmed and masterful defense in place of an armor proficiency in your archetype step, like an ansharan priest does in the background step? If so, I forsee a lot of people being raised in the Ansharan Citadel. Obviously you can't play an Ul', since none of the rules are out about them, but can you play an ethnic Khitani human raised in the first city, or the citadel of Larissa? What about a priest Khitani? Would being a member of the Khitani Church mechanically similar enough to the Coryani Church (just like being a member of the Milandesian Church) that you could just say you are a member of the Khitani Church but raised in the Blessed Lands and use the rules as written? (Especially since it make most sense for a Tultipetan dwarf to belong to the Khitani Church, rather than the Coryani). Is the Manica a local "shield"? It's not listed as one, but considering it is new to the rules with the region I would assume it is. Or is it so specialized that you can't take it as a local weapon in the archetype step no matter what? |
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| Author: | wilcoxon [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Questions about Blessed Lands Book |
toodeep wrote: Obviously you can't play an Ul', since none of the rules are out about them, but can you play an ethnic Khitani human raised in the first city, or the citadel of Larissa? What about a priest Khitani? Would being a member of the Khitani Church mechanically similar enough to the Coryani Church (just like being a member of the Milandesian Church) that you could just say you are a member of the Khitani Church but raised in the Blessed Lands and use the rules as written? (Especially since it make most sense for a Tultipetan dwarf to belong to the Khitani Church, rather than the Coryani). I would think you could certainly play an ethnic Khitani from the First City (eg no mechanical difference from any other person from the First City). I seriously doubt that the Khitani Church is similar enough to the Mother Church so I'm betting you can't play a member of the Khitani Church (or especially a priest or divine caster). toodeep wrote: Is the Manica a local "shield"? It's not listed as one, but considering it is new to the rules with the region I would assume it is. Or is it so specialized that you can't take it as a local weapon in the archetype step no matter what? No. It says in the special note that it is specialized and must be taken specifically as Armor Proficiency, Shield: Manica (just taking the generic Armor Proficiency, Shield does not even grant it). The one way to get it for free is to be a Former Gladiator (as it counts as a Gladiator Weapon). |
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| Author: | Nierite [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Questions about Blessed Lands Book |
Mr. Wilcoxon is correct. You can play someone who is ethnically Khitani (in fact, you always COULD play one even in the Known Lands), but as we don't have rules for the Khitani culture or religion you would not have enough information to make a 'true' Khitani character. Similarly, because no Khitani family has thus far appeared in an official product (with only a limited number of Bloodline talents appearing for ANY of the family in adventures), you cannot play an Ul. The Manica is functionally an 'exotic item', and only Gladiators would be able to get access to it normally as it (last I looked) was listed as a Gladiator weapon. For an example of people who were born among the Citadels, remember that there is a small city which sprung up around the Citadel of Yarris. |
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| Author: | toodeep [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Questions about Blessed Lands Book |
Nierite wrote: The Manica is functionally an 'exotic item', and only Gladiators would be able to get access to it normally as it (last I looked) was listed as a Gladiator weapon. Wait, the text spells out that you have to take armor proficiency shield, manica to use it, but normally you can gain shield proficiency by either taking armor prof or weapon prof with it. So an expert character from the blessed lands could take it as a weapon from his "any weapon" option, but not from his "local weapon," right? The Manica is expressly described as being useful as a weapon, so that should still work, but I don't see a damage or a speed associated with it. Nierite wrote: For an example of people who were born among the Citadels, remember that there is a small city which sprung up around the Citadel of Yarris. yes, for the Yarricite one that is correct, but considering the Saluwean temple isn't fully cleared yet, I have a hard time seeing family being raised there. And obviously there shouldn't be people saying they were raised in the Neroth/Beltine Citadels, right? I kind of got the impression the Ansharan one wasn't really designed for large numbers of people to live by permanently too. |
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| Author: | Nierite [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Questions about Blessed Lands Book |
I think you are misunderstanding: The Text of the item reads: Special: Due to the rarity of the Manica, you must take Armour Proficiency, Shield: Manica (ta) specifically for the Manica in order to use it unless you are a Former Gladiator (Ba). You cannot gain proficiency with the Manica simply by gaining the normal Armour Proficiency, Shield talent. This means you need to take Armor Proficiency, Shield: Manica to get it for a NORMAL person. However, it is also listed as a Gladiator Weapon, which means that those who can take those (or automatically gain access to them) get access to the Manica. For example, the Pit Fighter would be able to choose the Manica as their Gladiator Weapon because it has that Quality. |
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| Author: | toodeep [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Questions about Blessed Lands Book |
I understand the text says, Nierite wrote: Armour Proficiency, Shield: Manica (ta) specifically for the Manica in order to use it unless you are a Former Gladiator (Ba). You cannot gain proficiency with the Manica simply by gaining the normal Armour Proficiency, Shield talent. I understand the bolded portion, but it neglects, as does the following underlined sentence it appears to assume is the baseline means of getting shield proficiency. The errata specifically says, Quote: Archetypes Question: Is the Martial Archetype the only Archetype that doesn’t need to spend a Talent to learn to use any shield? Answer: No, Martial Archetype characters learn all of their nation’s shields during character creation. Expert Archetype may also learn to use shields from their "any one other weapon of choice" selection and Quote: And as for your second question, Shields are listed in the weapons table, thus they are fair game. So I often see getting shield proficiency through a weapon proficiency talent rather than an armor talent, which is what the underlined portion of text seems to assume is the case. I assume that the bolded portion simply means you have to take armor proficiency shield: manica, or weapon proficiency manica. Both are equally specific and unique, and indicate someone specifically taking that item as a specialization. IS this really wrong? Is the one shield item that is specifically described as being both a weapon and a shield the only shield that isn't allowed to be taken as a weapon proficiency? Also, what is it's damage and speed? It's worn, so it's unarmed combat, so at least what skill it uses is already defined. |
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