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 Post subject: Re: Questions about Blessed Lands Book
PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:54 pm 
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wilcoxon wrote:
Gnomes can choose to be from human nations or dwarven enclaves. Is it legal to choose Tultipet enclave as a Gnome? If so, that is one legal option for accessing Runic Warrior (non-trivial needing to be gnome from Tultipet with DSC (or ASC) plus the other prereqs).


Tultipet is not a valid choice of a starting nation in the Campaign unless you purchased the right to play a Dwarf from that nation through the Kickstarter. I'm sorry.

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 Post subject: Re: Questions about Blessed Lands Book
PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:58 pm 
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wilcoxon wrote:
And a story/mechanics question that probably only Henry can answer...

Why is Soldier-Saints of Dagha restricted to Almeric, Coryan, and Milandir? Why not any follower of either Mother Church or Milandric Church?

I was thinking of having my Kio (from League of Princes) become a Soldier-Saint before I noticed the nationality restrictions. It's not a huge loss though as I have my tier 1 and 2 paths already assigned.


While these nations may be officially members of one of the two relevant churches, there are cultural and theological differences among the followers of the other nations of the Known Lands which preclude them from joining the Soldier Saints of Dagha. It is for similar reasons why you do not find Soldier Saints from among the followers of the Dark Triumvirate in Canceri, even though their religion shares a common genesis as the Mother Church and the Milandric Orthodox.

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 Post subject: Re: Questions about Blessed Lands Book
PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:01 pm 
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You are correct. Runic Tattoo should read at the end:

Special: Once you acquire this Talent, it is no longer a Limited Talent for you.


While you're there, can you comment on the requirements block for that Runic Tattoo talent? It's a [Limited] talent, so as I read it, only Runic Warriors can get it directly. Does the inclusion of the block (and the lack of reference to the path in the block) mean that you can get around the Path limitation?

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Limited: Limited Talents can only be acquired through an Archetype, Background, or Path. These Talents cannot be acquired through any other means.


Thanks!


It may lose it's 'Limited' status when you gain the talent through the path, that does not mean you can take it freely. Those requirements must be met for you to take the talent in later Tiers, in much the way that a val'Dellenov would still need to meet all the requirements of Loyal Compaion (ta) in order to 'upgrade' their Companion at higher Tiers. Gaining a talent once (through a Path, for example) does not mean you ignore prerequisites with that talent forever more.

As to if it will be able to be gained through other Paths, PCI reserves the right to include this talent in later products, but at this time there are no other means of gaining this Talent available.

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 Post subject: Re: Questions about Blessed Lands Book
PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:18 pm 

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Nierite wrote:
wilcoxon wrote:
Gnomes can choose to be from human nations or dwarven enclaves. Is it legal to choose Tultipet enclave as a Gnome? If so, that is one legal option for accessing Runic Warrior (non-trivial needing to be gnome from Tultipet with DSC (or ASC) plus the other prereqs).


Tultipet is not a valid choice of a starting nation in the Campaign unless you purchased the right to play a Dwarf from that nation through the Kickstarter. I'm sorry.


Sigh. Bad memory on my part. I had remembered it as Tultipetan Dwarf was restricted (not the nation of Dwarven Enclave: Tultipet). It's very frustrating that one of the new paths in Blessed Lands is only accessible if you bought a cert from the Kickstarter (before you knew the path existed). The only bright spot is that the inclusion of Khitani Empire would seem to indicate that we will (eventually) be able to play a Khitani...

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 Post subject: Re: Questions about Blessed Lands Book
PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:48 pm 

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Hello,

wilcoxon wrote:
It's very frustrating that one of the new paths in Blessed Lands is only accessible if you bought a cert from the Kickstarter (before you knew the path existed).


Imagine how much more frustrating it would be to have purchased a special cert and then find nothing for your dwarf to take that was uniquely Tultipetan.

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 Post subject: Re: Questions about Blessed Lands Book
PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:06 pm 

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Nierite wrote:
wilcoxon wrote:
And a story/mechanics question that probably only Henry can answer...

Why is Soldier-Saints of Dagha restricted to Almeric, Coryan, and Milandir? Why not any follower of either Mother Church or Milandric Church?

I was thinking of having my Kio (from League of Princes) become a Soldier-Saint before I noticed the nationality restrictions. It's not a huge loss though as I have my tier 1 and 2 paths already assigned.


While these nations may be officially members of one of the two relevant churches, there are cultural and theological differences among the followers of the other nations of the Known Lands which preclude them from joining the Soldier Saints of Dagha. It is for similar reasons why you do not find Soldier Saints from among the followers of the Dark Triumvirate in Canceri, even though their religion shares a common genesis as the Mother Church and the Milandric Orthodox.


It seems that coryani mother church followers from the Blessed lands should qualify as well. It seems odd that the children of soldier-saints and their followers don't qualify...

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 Post subject: Re: Questions about Blessed Lands Book
PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:10 pm 
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As for Runic Warrior...

At the last Origins LARP one of the items that could have been traded was the secret of Runicic Tatoos ... if that had gone out it then the path might well have been available to others PCs. Apparently the players who turned up were so eager to help Tultipet rebuild that they didn't need to put it on the table. On the other hand the enclave could have relocated to khitan, which also didn't happen...

...Choices have consequences.

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 Post subject: Re: Questions about Blessed Lands Book
PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:11 pm 

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PCIHenry wrote:
Hello,

wilcoxon wrote:
It's very frustrating that one of the new paths in Blessed Lands is only accessible if you bought a cert from the Kickstarter (before you knew the path existed).


Imagine how much more frustrating it would be to have purchased a special cert and then find nothing for your dwarf to take that was uniquely Tultipetan.


I did buy the val'Vasik cert and there is nothing uniquely val'Vasik (and the certs cost the same). I wasn't expecting there to be anything for any of the special certs (at least nothing that wasn't also usable without the cert) - buying them was simply a way to help PCI and get stretch goals funded.

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 Post subject: Re: Questions about Blessed Lands Book
PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:13 pm 
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I agree the nations seem overly restrictive to a Soldier Saint. In addition to people of the Blessed Lands I see no in game reason why an Altherian couldn't (somehow) qualify...<shrug> not a path I see Tukufu or Szymon taking anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: Questions about Blessed Lands Book
PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:37 pm 

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Hello,

val Holryn wrote:
I agree the nations seem overly restrictive to a Soldier Saint. In addition to people of the Blessed Lands I see no in game reason why an Altherian couldn't (somehow) qualify...


We'll have to chalk this one up to story reaosns. In my vision of the Soldier-Saints, I see them as made up of tranditions from the Knights and Equestrian orders of Milandir and the Coryani Empire (and by extension, Almeric).

Altherians, Cancerise, Yhing Hir, etc just don't fit that vision.

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