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 Post subject: Future character ideas
PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2018 6:02 pm 
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In this time period could there be an offspring of a Val'Abebi from Altheria and a Khitani (noble or otherwise). If the offspring were human instead of Val what would thier last name be?

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 Post subject: Re: Future character ideas
PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2018 7:44 pm 
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Please remember: the Khitani dont like the vals. They are considered heretics and betrayers, while the Khitani are the true followers of the Gods. In fact, the name val is so much mud that the Khitani changed the name of their own vals fo Uls (ul'Tang vs the original valTang) because of the association. For a Khitani to breed with a val is some pretty frowned upon slumming on their part and likely would lead them to be disowned.

Vals usually pawn their human kids off on their human vassals to raise if they are of higher status. In this case, the kid would take on (likely) the name of that vassal family.

It is possible the kid would be fostered to their human kin (the non-val family) if politics allowed. In this case the kid would be sent back to Khitan and would be outside the story. As mentioned above, Khitani politics likely would not allow this.

If they are raised by the val themselves, human family members take the name, minus val. As such, Bob would be Bob Abebi.

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 Post subject: Re: Future character ideas
PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2018 8:13 pm 
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I agree with everything Cody just said.

Still, in the First City such a liaison is possible. The Val Abebi have a fair amount of contact with the Khitani through the ul’Wei and their vassals and servants. They run a lucrative trade of blast powder for silk. Whatever their religious or philosophical differences they get along well enough in the hunt for profit. (They also share some kind of bond from helping negotiate the formal end of the Second Coryani-Khitani War) A romance between the two sides would be possible with so much contact. But like Cody says it’s still Montague and Capulet teritory. Trade and even friendships are one thing. A romance (I believe) would be scandalous and would carry serious consequences if/when it came to light.

Any offspring of such a liaison would have to have a pretty “interesting” story. The only way the parents could raise the child together would be for the parents to end up outcasts. Maybe living on the margins (maybe in the Pearl.) In the alternative there are some serious secrets are being kept. Or in a third alternative, if known, most likely the child would be taken away from its parents and fostered somewhere where it wouldn’t be an embarrassment. In this scenario they wouldn’t know thier heritage.

For all that, what you are describing isn’t impossible & plenty of characters have unusual backgrounds...that’s part of what makes them adventurer’s rather than a village blacksmith.

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 Post subject: Re: Future character ideas
PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2018 10:05 pm 
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I too agree with what Eric said above ;)

Just to give you an idea for the "star-crossed lovers" scenario, my own primary character (alas, probably never to be played again. . . ::weep::) is the son of a val'Virdan and val'Emman: two families that even today hold great hatred for one another. His father is a val'Virdan Coryani patrician from a branch of the family who avoided deportation to Canceri in the 4th Century I.C. by converting to Illiir, and his mother is the daughter of first generation Coryani from Cancerese refugees who were chased out of Canceri for their (unknown to them) val'Emman heritage. When Nierite worship was allowed again in the Coryani Empire some 50 years ago (after some 700 years of being outlawed), both branches openly became worshipers of Nier in the Empire, and the two met in basically "Nierite Bible School". Much to the shame of both sides, they forged a relationship and raised my character (and his two siblings) well away from the heart of the Empire in the then-newly formed Province of Nova Cormata. They have since risen more to prominence, but are still considered outsiders to their own families to a great extent because of it.

These backstories add substantial colour to a character, and define their motivations. In your case, the human child of a Khitani and a val'Abebi would be outsiders in both sides of their heritage because of the choices of their parents. The Khitani wouldn't accept them as one of their own (outside of the First City, and even then it is questionable), and the val'Abebi wouldn't recognize the kid as one of theirs (since they are not a Val, their is little the val'Abebi can do to acknowledge the child). This mixture is entirely valid, but it should inform your characters motivation. They should have a personality that reflects their in-betweener, but not belonging status. Maybe they became a loner? Maybe they are overcompensating by championing one side over the other? Maybe they seek solice in a group like the Legions or the Shining Patrol?

As another example, my wife's secondary is a gnome: born of a Saluwe' worshiping human and a (Tir Betoqi?) dwarf. In her story, the gnome's parents loved each other and him very much, and raised him as best as they could. However, society intervened, and his parents were killed for the abomination that they brought forth and their forbidden love, causing the gnome to have to grow up on the streets. However, while my wife plays the gnome as mournful, she plays him as almost painfully pure and innocent, almost always seeking the best in people because he knew true love in his life from his parents, and he knows that despite his flaws, he has value and so do everyone else.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that, while these character concepts are great, they should INFORM your character and not define them. It is a great building block, but it should only be part 1 in the process.

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