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 Post subject: Re: interesting 5e PC concepts
PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2016 8:09 pm 

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One thing that I think needs to be played up more in 5e arcane casters than the 5e rules reflect is the impact of strain. Under the old 3.5 system, you would cast your cantrips and then you are done for the day. So a caster was still held in check. In 5e, you can cast cantrips nearly continuously. Now if the whole channeling creation thing is going to hold in the 5e campaign there needs to be some real consequences from casting. It doens't need to be a system overhall, but it does need to be there to keep wizards and sorcerers from becoming limitless wands of Firebolt.

I am not certain how to reflect this in 5e. But it would seem that if you cast too much you cast at Disadvantage. I am not certain how to gage 'too much' without given the GM absolute fiat over casters. If someone has an elegant way to bring the concept of strain to 5e without nerfing casters excessively I'd love to hear it for home game usage.

Maybe a condition "STRAINED FROM CASTING" can be added to the 5e rollout. But I have no idea what that condition might look like. Perhaps if you cast more than 1/2 your level in spell levels in succession then you cast at disadvantage. But to me, that seems a bit crunchy for 5e.

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 Post subject: Re: interesting 5e PC concepts
PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2016 9:36 pm 
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I see nothing wrong with unlimited use of Firebolt.... :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: interesting 5e PC concepts
PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2016 10:47 pm 

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Eric Hughes wrote:
Curious, because when I look at sorcerers vs wizards, I see Sorcerers as the Eldar magic and wizards as the Edritch magic. I see this because Eldar is supposed to be a fluid and elegant art, where magic is worked with as much as it is worked on. This is more in keeping with the Sorcerer's ability at meta-magic. Whereas Eldritch magic is forced by rote, and much more damaging on the body.


Whereas I thought it was clear from 3.5 days that the Sorcerer King had more interest in sorcerers. Sure, he took wizards, but understanding where sorcerers got there magic was his main gig. And that primarily involves him gathering all the eldritch casters, not Eldar, so it seems mostly like Eldritch=Sorcerer. Plus there is the entire "nearly immortal gets to study so much" idea that goes along with Eldar=Wizard.

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 Post subject: Re: interesting 5e PC concepts
PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2016 1:44 am 
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There are lots of "conversion" elements that will create challenges.

One of the Nice things about the modular nature of the classes in 5e is that it will make things easier to create Arcanis specific takes on the D&D classes. e.g.: Legionaire or Gladiator packages for fighters.

Similarly I see an opportunity to use feats for Val and elorii Bloodline Powers.

Splitting sorcerers and wizards into elder and eldritch is an interesting thought. While that would be a big break from what's come before I like the idea.

On the other hand some things are going to be apples and oranges. What represents primal casts in the game? Warlocks? Druids? ... Even more of concern - what to do about psionics? The were/are a LOT of psion casters in the old campaign and the current campaign. As has already been noted, there is no ready fit for psions in 5e. What to do? You might rename sorcerers as psionts ... both are hereditary magic based on how you were born. But I don't think many people will see that as a good fit (I don't think it's a good fit, I just don't see anything better). Will PCI invent a new psion class?

I also think it's going to be harder to do dual system stats than people have given it credit for. A:RPG essentially has n resource management. D&D has a lot of resource management. I really want to see how that is juggled in the BI this year. A similar amount of encounters might leave A:RPG characters in good shape since they recover after (almost) every fight. On the other hand it could grind 5E characters into the dirt since healing and power recovery is much harder. I'm sure the numbers guys are working on it...it seems like it could be a big challenge.

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 Post subject: Re: interesting 5e PC concepts
PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2016 2:08 pm 

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Actually, WotC has already done a 5e Psion as part of their Unearthed Arcana.

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 Post subject: Re: interesting 5e PC concepts
PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2016 4:01 pm 
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Encali wrote:
Actually, WotC has already done a 5e Psion as part of their Unearthed Arcana.

Didn't know that. Is that released in a book or an online addition?

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 Post subject: Re: interesting 5e PC concepts
PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2016 4:10 pm 

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I don't think that is part of the SRD.

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 Post subject: Re: interesting 5e PC concepts
PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2016 10:42 pm 

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Eric Hughes wrote:
I don't think that is part of the SRD.


Agreed. Unearthed Arcana is where some designers release beta/playtest quality material. Some of it will eventually make it into published products but I'm pretty sure UA is not part of the SRD.

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 Post subject: Re: interesting 5e PC concepts
PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2016 7:37 pm 

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As a note, found this online, it pretty clearly spells out the Entzara as sorcerers, and since they are the apex of shaman, I would assume is largely a statement on shaman. Seems weird since in 3.5 shaman were a divine class, and not sorcerers.

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Now we're on our way to our first Stretch Goal, increasing the page count of the book to a meaty 180 pages! The additional pages will include many new magic items as well as the aforementioned Rune system, new weapons and new Archetypes like the mystic Ehtzara.

Here's a short write up of the Ehtzara to whet your appetite:

The Ehtzara are the tribal sorcerers of the Hinterlands, gaining power and learning spells as well innate knowledge of the natural landscape and its denizens from summoned spirits. They are a mix of three ancient traditions; the original Yhing hir beliefs of ancestor worship, the pagan elemental practices of the indigenous Pengik tribe, and amalgamations of southern magic, superstitions and religious beliefs.

Like all sorcerers upon Arcanis, the Ehtzara suffer under the bias and superstition that they deal with demons and devils to grant them power and are blamed for every malicious act or freak occurrence around them for miles. Unlike other practitioners of the arcane arts, the Ehtzara embrace this preconception and use their frightful presence and ominous reputations to intimidate others and chase off would be attackers or angry mobs.

The training and discipline for the Ehtzara is as rigorous as a monk’s, and an initiate into this group must accept that they will no longer be treated as normal, and often not even as natural. However, they will command respect and fear from all they encounter, and are imbued with many useful and devastatingly effective capabilities in trade for normality and order.

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 Post subject: Re: interesting 5e PC concepts
PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2016 7:43 pm 
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The equivalent of Shaman in 5e is Warlock, an Arcane class.

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