learn martial tech change

wilcoxon · **Joined:** Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:12 pm **Posts:** 1037

PCI_StatMonkey wrote:

I like this, but I fear it's too much of a radical departure from the way you learn spells, talents, and bloodline powers (you need the lower tier to get he higher tier)

and yes I may be over thinking it, but it seems to defeat the purpose...

See my similar suggestion that this also be the way val bloodline talents are handled. At least in the case of val bloodline, there aren't enough options available to require "number = tier" so I propose "number = tier - 1" (for both this and bloodline to keep them consistent). If there are at least two things in the game that work this way then I don't think it's too radical.

wilcoxon · **Joined:** Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:12 pm **Posts:** 1037

SamhainIA wrote:

@john, yeah lets leave that other argument in the other thread, one or two extra tricks isnt really going to bother most any focused martial character where it might have some slight impact on a dilletante kind of character and thats the idea behind this rule isnt it?

As I said above, I'd prefer that both techniques and bloodlines follow the count method (rather than a talent/technique of exactly tier-1) and, for consistency, suggest tier-1 (there simply aren't enough bloodline talents to require = tier).

Nierite · **Posted:** Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:30 pm

. . . ummm, yes there are enough Bloodline talents to have at least 1/tier. There are 7 in total in a game designed around 5 Tiers of Play.

wilcoxon · **Joined:** Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:12 pm **Posts:** 1037

Nierite wrote:

. . . ummm, yes there are enough Bloodline talents to have at least 1/tier. There are 7 in total in a game designed around 5 Tiers of Play.

Not and have any options. If taking T4 requires a T3 bloodline then you have no choice (each family only has one T3). If taking a T4 requires 4 lower bloodline talents then you need 4 of 5 of the bloodline talents (which is very little choice). Also, gaining bloodline talents is harder than gaining martial techniques for martial archetypes (martial gets 2 techniques per advance but bloodline talents can only be gained via general talent advances (plus one from race)).

PCI_StatMonkey · **Posted:** Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:54 pm

This is what I have so far

Quote:

Page 200 (Errata)
Learn Martial Technique
Change Requirements as follows (shown in bold)

Requirements: Weapon Training (any) (ta), additional requirements as listed under the individual Technique, In order to learn a Martial Technique, you must already know a Martial Technique one tier lower or a number of Martial Techniques whose total tiers equal the Tier of the new Martial Technique.

SamhainIA · **Joined:** Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:36 am **Posts:** 1554

Quote:

Page 200 (Errata)
Learn Martial Technique
Change Requirements as follows (shown in bold)

Requirements: Weapon Training (any) (ta), additional requirements as listed under the individual Technique, In order to learn a Martial Technique of Tier II or higher, you must already know a Martial Technique one tier lower or a number of Martial Techniques whose total tiers equal the Tier of the new Martial Technique.

you original wording made it impossible to learn Tier 1 techniques, changes in bold

PCI_StatMonkey · **Posted:** Thu Mar 20, 2014 8:02 am

SamhainIA wrote:

Quote:

Page 200 (Errata)
Learn Martial Technique
Change Requirements as follows (shown in bold)

Requirements: Weapon Training (any) (ta), additional requirements as listed under the individual Technique, In order to learn a Martial Technique of Tier II or higher, you must already know a Martial Technique one tier lower or a number of Martial Techniques whose total tiers equal the Tier of the new Martial Technique.

you original wording made it impossible to learn Tier 1 techniques, changes in bold

thank you..

what does everyone think?

Harliquinn · **Joined:** Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:40 am **Posts:** 2046

Seems reasonable for Techniques

mith · **Joined:** Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:30 pm **Posts:** 194

Just want to make sure I have this down...

To learn a Tier 4 technique, the character must know:
1+ Tier 3 techs OR
2+ Tier 2 techs OR
4+ Tier 1 techs OR
1 Tier 2 tech AND 2+ Tier 1 techs

Southernskies · **Joined:** Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:06 am **Posts:** 991

Not quite, in both cases, to get a T4 technique, you need to have spent at least 3 talents on lower level techniques (in various combos) before you can take the T4.

More if you skip a Tier of techniques. The current wording just allows some variation in how you get there (many of the T3 techniques are a little lackluster compared to the T2 and even T1.)

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