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Author:  toodeep [ Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:42 am ]
Post subject:  Errata - sanctify weapon
Any correction for Illiir granting no special power option with sanctify weapon?
Author:  PCI_StatMonkey [ Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Errata - sanctify weapon
toodeep wrote:
Any correction for Illiir granting no special power option with sanctify weapon?


::face palm::

you know I had that in my notes and totally missed including it in the errata?

I'll add it, thanks for the heads up!
Author:  PCIHenry [ Tue Mar 18, 2014 2:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Errata - sanctify weapon
Hello,

toodeep wrote:
Any correction for Illiir granting no special power option with sanctify weapon?


No, this is not being errated.

The reason: The religious knowledge of the Known Lands is incomplete. All of the hymns, dogma and Cants have been cobbled together from a myriad of sources.

And thus far, the Cant for the Illiirite version of this divine effect has not been rediscovered.

So, no Illiirite version of Sanctify Weapon.

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Author:  toodeep [ Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Errata - sanctify weapon
I must say, I find that odd. After all, we’ve seen at least three active valinor (or fallen valinor) of Illiir who could teach these cants, right? All of these three have been pretty darn active. (though one was just ruling his little city state in the sealed land for most the time) I can maybe see Menatas (sp?) not promoting Illiir near the end there, since he was really more about promoting himself. But wouldn’t the Voice of Illiir spread Illiirite cants? Previously you’ve said the Church of Illiir in Bastion was the only real church since Xabal could only teach them Illiirite cants. Do they (and thus Val illirites from Bastion) know these cants? It would seem to me that at least they would have a complete Illirrite (and only Illiirite) lexicon.
Author:  SamhainIA [ Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Errata - sanctify weapon
we have?, I do say I think your mistaken on who / what we have seen

Manetas, had his own thing and did not reveal himself as a Valinor, besides that was 50+ years ago, "we" havent seen him.

Xabal, I recall something about the cants of Illir being weird in the unsealed lands, but it doesnt matter since the unsealed lands religion is distinctly separate from our own, and while they may know that cant, its not available for players.

what other Valinor of Illir are you referring to?
Author:  toodeep [ Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Errata - sanctify weapon
SamhainIA wrote:
we have?, I do say I think your mistaken on who / what we have seen

Manetas, had his own thing and did not reveal himself as a Valinor, besides that was 50+ years ago, "we" havent seen him.

Xabal, I recall something about the cants of Illir being weird in the unsealed lands, but it doesnt matter since the unsealed lands religion is distinctly separate from our own, and while they may know that cant, its not available for players.

what other Valinor of Illir are you referring to?


In the lifetime of the mother church is relevant, not just this lifetime, so even 50 years ago is very relevant. I didn't play back then, so my knowledge is fuzzy, but it was my impression that for generations Menetas was active, and building his power, which at least in the beginning was probably associated with supporting the worshippers of Illiir that thought of him as Illiir's servant on earth (or Illiir himself). But stuff with him is odd, so it is also distinctly possible that he did not share knowledge like that. But wasn't he opposed by a Val that possessed the current Matriarch or something? The "Voice of Illiir"?

then there is Xabal. I would understand why their teachings haven't spread out into the wider populace yet, but we will be having some Val'Vasik joining us shortly, and I at least was planning on making mine an Illiite. So it would seem that at least some of their teachings should be entering the campaign shortly. So what was known there does need to be dealt with.
Author:  toodeep [ Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Errata - sanctify weapon
toodeep wrote:
SamhainIA wrote:
we have?, I do say I think your mistaken on who / what we have seen

Manetas, had his own thing and did not reveal himself as a Valinor, besides that was 50+ years ago, "we" havent seen him.

Xabal, I recall something about the cants of Illir being weird in the unsealed lands, but it doesnt matter since the unsealed lands religion is distinctly separate from our own, and while they may know that cant, its not available for players.

what other Valinor of Illir are you referring to?


In the lifetime of the mother church is relevant, not just this lifetime, so even 50 years ago is very relevant. I didn't play back then, so my knowledge is fuzzy, but it was my impression that for generations Menetas was active, and building his power, which at least in the beginning was probably associated with supporting the worshippers of Illiir that thought of him as Illiir's servant on earth (or Illiir himself). But stuff with him is odd, so it is also distinctly possible that he did not share knowledge like that. But wasn't he opposed by a Val that possessed the current Matriarch or something? The "Voice of Illiir"? Wouldn't that (not fallen?) Val have Illiriite teachings to teach?

then there is Xabal. I would understand why their teachings haven't spread out into the wider populace yet, but we will be having some Val'Vasik joining us shortly, and I at least was planning on making mine an Illiite. So it would seem that at least some of their teachings should be entering the campaign shortly. So what was known there does need to be dealt with.
Author:  SamhainIA [ Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Errata - sanctify weapon
toodeep wrote:
In the lifetime of the mother church is relevant, not just this lifetime, so even 50 years ago is very relevant. I didn't play back then, so my knowledge is fuzzy, but it was my impression that for generations Menetas was active, and building his power, which at least in the beginning was probably associated with supporting the worshippers of Illiir that thought of him as Illiir's servant on earth (or Illiir himself). But stuff with him is odd, so it is also distinctly possible that he did not share knowledge like that. But wasn't he opposed by a Val that possessed the current Matriarch or something? The "Voice of Illiir"?


RE Manetas, he was not operating in the open, he was very certainly working from behind the scenes, rather than out in the open. he certainly would not have gone up to someone in the chech saying "here is the canticle your missing"

The Word of Illir (Numenah iirc as described in the Spear of the Loghin) I'm not sure if the effect that possessed Ellandre, and the Valinor named The Word of Illir are the same thing. Regardless if they are or not, the effects of what happened to Elandre have caused the resurgence of "orthodox ideals" causing the current conflict within the mother church... there might be something there if people choose to listen to Ellandre.
Author:  Nierite [ Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Errata - sanctify weapon
Just because Illiirite Valinor have been in the story, doesn't mean they give up their knowledge to anyone.
Author:  Njal Val'Assante [ Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Errata - sanctify weapon
There's also the Love of Illiir, who would presumably have been most likely to share such... but we don't know anything about it before it arrived at the Citadel in the Blessed Lands, or what happened to it afterwards...
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