* Gain 1 Rank in a single Arcanum skill, Deceit and Stealth.
* Gain 1 Rank to a number of Trained Lore Skills equal to 3+ your Logic Passive Value.

* Gain 1 Rank in a single Arcanum skill, your Deity's favored skill, and Knowledge (Religion).
* Gain 1 Rank to a number of Trained Social Skills equal to 3+ your Logic Passive Value.

* Gain 1 Rank in a single Arcanum skill, Deceit and Stealth and to a number of Trained Lore skills equal to your Logic Passive Value.

* Gain 1 Rank in a single Arcanum skill, your Deity's favored skill, and Knowledge (Religion) and to a number of Trained Social skills equal to your Logic Passive Value.

I've finally twigged to what the underlying game design flaw is regarding Training Talents (specifically Continued Training, but it rears itself in a few other places).

Arcane and Divine have two separate skill advancement options.




Combining the two options into one in the next edition would fix so many ongoing problems.

Example:

[quote"Divine"]* Gain 1 Rank in a single Arcanum skill, your Deity's favored skill, and Knowledge (Religion) and to a number of Trained Social skills equal to your Logic Passive Value.

I like it too. I had suggested something similar to this, but a bit more broadly worded. The character would receive 3+ Passive Logic to be chosen from the [3 Archetype skills] + Lore/Social skills. Either solution works to fix the problem, with one being a bit more flexible.

John

However, I would remove the word trained from the language, in southernkisses version, so that you can pick up new social skills or knowledge skills. While there may not be a lot of social skills there are a lot of knowledge skills.

I honestly don't think the power of the arcanum skill has anything to do with it, or at least shouldn't. Casters have the arcanum skill to raise just like martial raise their combat skills and experts raise whatever they want. It's the key to their abilities.