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Author:  SamhainIA [ Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:56 am ]
Post subject:  casting spells into melee?

Quote:
Q: Is there a penalty for casting spells into melee?
A: Yes, casting spells into melee incur a -4 penalty to the casters attack roll, regardless of the targeted defense. Ranged spells are considered ranged attacks and are covered under Cover rules on page 305 (and clarified in errata below)


this is in there twice

Author:  PCI_StatMonkey [ Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: casting spells into melee?

fixed

Author:  Davebauder [ Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: casting spells into melee?

Quote:
Q: Is there a penalty for casting spells into melee?
A: Yes, casting spells into melee incur a -4 penalty to the casters attack roll, regardless of the targeted defense. Ranged spells are considered ranged attacks and are covered under Cover rules on page 305 (and clarified in errata below)

Does that include spells that are area spells. For instance, if I am being attacked by three guards, and I cast a Concussive Wave, am I at -4 to hit them all since they are all in melee with me? Is is this only for targeted spells?

Author:  Harliquinn [ Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: casting spells into melee?

Davebauder wrote:
Quote:
Q: Is there a penalty for casting spells into melee?
A: Yes, casting spells into melee incur a -4 penalty to the casters attack roll, regardless of the targeted defense. Ranged spells are considered ranged attacks and are covered under Cover rules on page 305 (and clarified in errata below)

Does that include spells that are area spells. For instance, if I am being attacked by three guards, and I cast a Concussive Wave, am I at -4 to hit them all since they are all in melee with me? Is is this only for targeted spells?


No, there's no penalty for Area Spells into melee as you're picking a 'point in space'. A way to fix this is:

Quote:
Q: Is there a penalty for casting spells into melee?
A: Yes, casting spells into melee that target specific creatures and not an area incur a -4 penalty to the casters attack roll, regardless of the targeted defense. Ranged spells are considered ranged attacks and are covered under Cover rules on page 305 (and clarified in errata below)


John

Author:  PCI_StatMonkey [ Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: casting spells into melee?

fixed

Author:  acurrier [ Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: casting spells into melee?

Does this affect divine casters as well as arcane? Currently Adaptation: Arcane Accuracy is listed as [Arcane] only.

I realize this conversation has been had, but I don't really understand why a spell targeting Discipline would suffer a penalty for melee...but this is across the board, divine casters should have a way to mitigate that penalty.

The errata should be clarified for the above.

Author:  PCI_StatMonkey [ Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: casting spells into melee?

they have their own talent for that in Codex of Heroes

Author:  wilcoxon [ Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: casting spells into melee?

acurrier wrote:
Does this affect divine casters as well as arcane? Currently Adaptation: Arcane Accuracy is listed as [Arcane] only.

I realize this conversation has been had, but I don't really understand why a spell targeting Discipline would suffer a penalty for melee...but this is across the board, divine casters should have a way to mitigate that penalty.

The errata should be clarified for the above.


Yes, this is across the board. All non-area spells suffer -4 when cast into melee (regardless of source or defense targeted).

There is a Divine talent (that is actually better than Arcane Accuracy) but I don't remember the name. It should probably be mentioned in the FAQ as well.

Right now, there is no equivalent talent for non-Avoidance (which I think is a big problem at -4 is huge).

Author:  PCI_StatMonkey [ Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: casting spells into melee?

Blessed Devotions

added it to the errata

Author:  acurrier [ Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: casting spells into melee?

PCI_StatMonkey wrote:
they have their own talent for that in Codex of Heroes

If you are talking about Blessed Devotions (ta), what it says is:
CoH pg. 73 wrote:
Devotion of Accuracy: This blessing may only be applied to spells that attack Avoidance; you ignore any penalties associated with casting into melee.

Should this be errataed as well then to cover all divine spells, regardless of defence?

EDIT: Looks like you beat me to it.

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