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 Post subject: Catalog of Western Lands
PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 5:32 pm 

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So we know a little bit more about the lands west of the First City. I wanted to summarize what we do know. Please let me know if there are any other known nations or arcane trivia I am missing concerning the nations known and I will add them to this post.

1. Khitan – we’ve known something about them for awhile. We know more now, but still have
a lot to learn. Know too much to detail here.

2. Ossarion Empire – Ancient Empire ruled by golden eyed Savosh. Fought and beaten by the
First Emperium, now a shadow of its former self. When it shrank it left behind
many cities that became independent city states, which may include:

a. Tyrant City of Natüs – city state also known as Tyrant City of the Dead. Possible
Avatar of Neroth as ruler. Now very small living population

b. City state of Sutun – worship a pregnant vulture headed goddess named Shu of
fertility and vengenance. Expats operate the Lady of Shu in the first city.

c. City State of Kolkara –Saluwéan bull dancers and minotaurs, somehow reachable
by Maghir on horseback from First City during the Time of Terror.
Strong friendship with first city

d. City State of Gerganos – Many thousands of inhabitant, only worship of Sarish as
the bloodletter aspect is allowed, is a warrior aspect, has blood temple
where sarishan bloodletters (bloodgaurd) are trained. somehow
reachable by Maghir on horseback from First City. Strong ties with First
City

e. City state of Haranshee - acolytes of Murgath dance for His enjoyment, Noz, a
cloak and coat seller in the bazaar is from there. Pg117-118

f. City State of Lakhrion – ruled by the Court of the Mad Magi, who appears to fight
ymandrakes? This is supposition from only two comments in the book.

3. Dailish Isles – Appear to be pretty common visitors to the First City. Many pirates. Source of blue cloaks, appear to have worship of PoM, at least Yarris. Dark haired, not very tall, usually clean shaven

4. Sea of Grass - Peopled by the Hunai – “Far off to the west beyond the Dailish Isles is a wondrous land known as the Sea of Grass, a verdant plain covered in long blades of grass and stalks of plant life. Hunai are pacifists who worship the three goddesses, which includes Belisarda

5. Andai Ascendency – small island nation, source of Aii worship, theocracy under High prophet

Unknown Nation?/placement? - Thalayin tribes, that make rare bone weapons and armor, and The black sorcerers known as the Endless that fight Ymandrakes

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 Post subject: Re: Catalog of Western Lands
PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 5:49 pm 
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The region of the League of Princes has also been historically called "the Western Lands." The area that toodeep seems to be discussing is primarily what I've personally been calling "the Far West."

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 Post subject: Re: Catalog of Western Lands
PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 7:01 pm 
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There are 4 Emperors of the Ossarion Empire currently...though each really only runs a single city. They can't agree on how to work together against the Forsaken/Godless.

They may have fallen to the Destroyer ("and Emperors shall fall dead before him")

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 Post subject: Re: Catalog of Western Lands
PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 7:45 pm 

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How would one get to Ossarion from Dar Zahn Vor? It seems like the main means would probably by boat, otherwise, wouldn't you have to march through the blessed lands, Khitan, and then into the west? Or is there enough room between the Aqtau mountains and the Sea of Lanterns over by the Mournmouth Caverns for significant land travel to get by? (which doesn't seem likely since the Mournmouth caverns in the mountain were discovered by sailors - thus the mountains must come pretty much right to the sea)

This was one of the questions I had about the Maghir getting over to the city states during the time of terror. Wouldn't they have had to go up over the Fervidite hills, through Khitan and down into the City states? Or did the nomadic horse warriors get on a boat for some reason? It seems very odd no matter what way they did it, since the Blessed Lands seems very cut off from the City-States when one looks at a map.

If there is a route between the Aqtau mountains and the Sea of Lanterns, doesn't that still let out into Khitan? Junks of theirs regularly come to the First City by water, either indicating they have a southern port on the Sea of Lanterns, or that a lot of sea travel goes on all they way around the western portion of the continent. I think the latter is unlikely.

This is important to know, since the coming of the Destroyer is supposed to be from, "The West" and thus an understanding of potential western invasion routes would seem to be something people would be looking at. (realizing of course that poetically speaking Dar Zahn Vor and the Plains of Jhaut may count as "the West" since they are west of Coryan, despite the fact that they are really South of the First City)

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 Post subject: Re: Catalog of Western Lands
PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 8:21 pm 
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toodeep wrote:
How would one get to Ossarion from Dar Zahn Vor? It seems like the main means would probably by boat, otherwise, wouldn't you have to march through the blessed lands, Khitan, and then into the west? Or is there enough room between the Aqtau mountains and the Sea of Lanterns over by the Mournmouth Caverns for significant land travel to get by? (which doesn't seem likely since the Mournmouth caverns in the mountain were discovered by sailors - thus the mountains must come pretty much right to the sea)


According to the most recent posted map on the Kickstarter announcement page, there is a region to the west of Dar Zhan Vor called the Plains of Jhaut, and there is an obvious break in the Aqtau Mountains near the Llharzyur Mountains near the League of Princes. The Aqtau also don't look like a massive mountain range like the Corlathians, so they may be scaleable or passes may exist. This would put them on the south coast of the Sea of Lanterns or the Messelian Sea (depending how far to the west they were).

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This was one of the questions I had about the Maghir getting over to the city states during the time of terror. Wouldn't they have had to go up over the Fervidite hills, through Khitan and down into the City states? Or did the nomadic horse warriors get on a boat for some reason? It seems very odd no matter what way they did it, since the Blessed Lands seems very cut off from the City-States when one looks at a map.


I seem to recall it saying that the Maghir used boats to cross the Messelian Sea and the Sea of Lanterns to escape the Infernals in the Time of Terror. When they got their Sarishan weapons, they returned home to liberate it, and could just as easily gone back over the water to get there.

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If there is a route between the Aqtau mountains and the Sea of Lanterns, doesn't that still let out into Khitan? Junks of theirs regularly come to the First City by water, either indicating they have a southern port on the Sea of Lanterns, or that a lot of sea travel goes on all they way around the western portion of the continent. I think the latter is unlikely.


Do you know where the southern border of Khitan is? I sure as heck don't, so I don't think we can accurately state where Khitan ends and the rest of the Far West begins.

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This is important to know, since the coming of the Destroyer is supposed to be from, "The West" and thus an understanding of potential western invasion routes would seem to be something people would be looking at. (realizing of course that poetically speaking Dar Zahn Vor and the Plains of Jhaut may count as "the West" since they are west of Coryan, despite the fact that they are really South of the First City)


I do believe anything west of the First City counts as 'the west', since the original prophecy came from KHITAN and the Idiot Priests of Illiir. While our world is Coryan-centric, it doesn't mean the rest of the world is. As such, I am going to assume that the invasion will come from one of the lands geographically west of the First City.

Of course, this may very well be wrong, as Henry is known to be rather. . . deceptive with his prophecies. After all, prophecies are often misheard, and even more often misinterpreted.

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 Post subject: Re: Catalog of Western Lands
PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:11 pm 

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Nierite wrote:
According to the most recent posted map on the Kickstarter announcement page, there is a region to the west of Dar Zhan Vor called the Plains of Jhaut, and there is an obvious break in the Aqtau Mountains near the Llharzyur Mountains near the League of Princes. The Aqtau also don't look like a massive mountain range like the Corlathians, so they may be scaleable or passes may exist. This would put them on the south coast of the Sea of Lanterns or the Messelian Sea (depending how far to the west they were).


Yes, it does appear that were Dar Zahn Vor not a land from which only the Chauni return, there would be easy travel from there to the Flood Plains, and then out to sea or into the Blessed Lands. I think a legion would be seen traveling near Harbor/Pecinium or the blessed lands, so unless they went out to the sea by another route (a distinct possibility in the uncharted lands further south) the only way by land would be through the Aqtau mountains. It seems unlikely paths exist through the mountains useful for the passage of troops, as if they did I suspect the Khitani would have been highly motivated to use them during their wars with the Coryani, rather than suffer the losses of moving their troops through Voei territory. But it is obviously not a certainty, which is why I ask the question. If there is a trade road there viable for moving a legion, I would think it would be known (since trade would be using it).

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I seem to recall it saying that the Maghir used boats to cross the Messelian Sea and the Sea of Lanterns to escape the Infernals in the Time of Terror. When they got their Sarishan weapons, they returned home to liberate it, and could just as easily gone back over the water to get there.


Ahh, yes, a reread of the history section did answer that. The Maghir came from the western side of the sea by boat, got their weapons in the First City, and then went back to the city-states to fight. They only returned to the Blessed Lands many years later to take over the First City. They are not native to the Blessed Lands, but to the western area.

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If there is a route between the Aqtau mountains and the Sea of Lanterns, doesn't that still let out into Khitan? Junks of theirs regularly come to the First City by water, either indicating they have a southern port on the Sea of Lanterns, or that a lot of sea travel goes on all they way around the western portion of the continent. I think the latter is unlikely.


Do you know where the southern border of Khitan is? I sure as heck don't, so I don't think we can accurately state where Khitan ends and the rest of the Far West begins.


I have an older map of questionable providence that I found at http://octopusgames.deviantart.com/art/ ... -358413994 that does appear to show Khitan extending down to the Sea of Lanterns. Additionally, as I indicated it makes more sense if they do, since the amount of sea traffic with them (and their possession of Lanzhou Island) is much more reasonable if they have a port on the sea of Lanterns, rather than having to sail from the northern ocean, around the sea of grass, past the Ossirian Empire, and then up the Sea of Lanterns to get to the First City.

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 Post subject: Re: Catalog of Western Lands
PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:44 pm 
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Interesting map. It does not look like an official item. The area called Dire Haven appears to be a first pass at the Fiendish Expanse ... which suggests it's either a fan piece and/or came out before Legacy of Damnation.

I would not take it as conclusive that the Khitani have land/port anywhere near the First City.

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 Post subject: Re: Catalog of Western Lands
PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 1:15 am 
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It is highly likely that Khitani has SOME ports on the Messalian Sea as we have reference to their shipping. What we don't know is how many, or if these ports are their own or belong to tributaries or splinter states.

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 Post subject: Re: Catalog of Western Lands
PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 1:44 am 
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Interesting map. It does not look like an official item. [...] it's either a fan piece and/or came out before Legacy of Damnation.

The map to which toodeep linked was posted by an excellent author (Scott Charlton) who was involved in the design of Arcanis before it went public, and he was one of the authors of the original Codex Arcanis. Thus, the map is far more than a "fan piece" but is still unofficial. It appears to be an early draft that gradually evolved into the official world map.

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 Post subject: Re: Catalog of Lands west of the First City
PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 1:53 am 
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toodeep wrote:
So we know a little bit more about the lands west of the First City. I wanted to summarize what we do know. Please let me know if there are any other known nations or arcane trivia I am missing concerning the nations known.

To answer toodeep's original question about lands, here are my own personal notes about lands in the west. This list does not include everything in the new Blessed Lands book. Toodeep's list is very good, and ideally these lists should be merged.

The Western Lands are south and west of the Coryani Empire. They are complicated because many of these states that are overtly separate nations actually owe feudal allegiance to a larger state. Many of them are members of the League of Princes. A list of the independent, top-level countries of the Western Lands follows:
• Blackwand
• Capharra
• Entaris
• Eppion
• Lhyllifel
• Uggur

The Far West of Onara is made of several countries and lands. The Khitani Empire is by far the largest of these nations, covering a huge area of land. Though many people think of only Khitan when they think of Western Onara, there are in fact a number of other countries outside the Empire’s rule.
• The Andai Ascendancy
• The Dailish Isles
• Dar Zhan Vor
• The Lands of the Godless
• The Khitani Empire
• Myamnal, also known as the Thousand Isles
• The Ossarion Empire
• Sabartha
• The Sea of Grass
• Tultipet

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