Nierite wrote:
Quick answer to one question: Yes, Neroth killed Illiir. However, Cadic went on a magical journey and brought him back from the dead. This all happened in the 'mythic age' before anything otherwise known, and definitely before the God's War.
Uhxbractit was the Infernal Lord who ruled the Infernals who invaded during the Time of Terror, but he is no god. He is very powerful, and he is immortal as we knew it, but he would be the "powerful being" like a Sphinx rather than any sort of god. I doubt he'd even be able to provide even Shaman spells and I don't recall it ever coming up. Definitely not even a 'demi-God' like a Valinor. For reference, we got an example of an Infernal God during one of the Crusade adventures, further showing Uhx to be much, much less than a god.
To the more direct reference to my own post, we don't know exactly what the 'original' worship of the PoM was. The God's War was some 5,000 years ago, so it is very equivalent to remembering the original worship of the Sumerians or the Egyptians or the pre-Harrapan Indian religions (before the era of the internet and the Enlightenment). After almost 2,000 years of dark ages of the Shadowed Age, so much of this knowledge was lost or destroyed that the First Imperium itself is semi-mythical to people of the modern world.
Ah then there is a larger cosmos around even the devils. Interesting, I'm sure that god will never find his way to Arcanis, lol..
So whats this about the Val holryn's being the others? I'd like to hear about this conspiracy theory.
Yeah, I knew the part about the Grand olden days and how they are looked back on with awe and what not. I am of course curious if the other is truly asleep or locked away. And where is he locked away? Its always a good story, my home game has one of those ancient times story hooks.
Uncovering stuff, delving into old, ancient places in the hopes of helping the "modern" world and being a little bit of the indiana jones we all want to be during these adventures is probably the best part of dnd, sometimes.
val Holryn wrote:
The core difference between the PoM and their original form of worship in the First Imperium is the devolution of knowledge and power from a Pantheistic organization that honored all the Gods to what I see now as a framework/alliance between the Temples of 12 Deities.
In the First Imperium we know most priests were patheonists under the Heirophant and DID NOT worship any particular god. A minority of "specialty priests" tended to specific needs of each individual Gods.
Now the specialty priests essentially run the show. They have essentially federated together under a Patriarch/Matriarch but each Temple is responsible for their own Dogma. The Mother Church governs and adjudicates the "territorial administration" of the Church and disputes between Temples. It may influence individual Temples. But Temples also push back. Once Neroth, Nier & Sarish got banned (they are all back). Currently Elandre and the Sensates are on a slow motion collision course. There are NO true pantheonist priests and most Pantheonist Cants appear to be lost.
The closest we have to the old Pantheonists are the Death Mongers (who treat 3 Gods equally) and perhaps some members of the Orthodoxy.
Interesting. Thank you for the info! Now Elandre is the daughter of Calsestus right? Sensates is the Pope of the Milandisian church correct?