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 Post subject: Re: Dwarven Heartstone Question
PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2020 7:13 pm 
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PCIHenry wrote:
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I'll give you a hint - something else was at play. :-)

I've enjoyed reading your conjectures about this topic and it has gotten my creative juices flowing. Since I moved the Soft Point originally scheduled for ArcanisCon 2020 over to Gen Con, I have an adventure slot to fill. I think maybe it's time for the Legion of the Black Sun to make an appearance again.


Uh oh. Time to find somewhere to hide.

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 Post subject: Re: Dwarven Heartstone Question
PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 12:09 am 

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Southernskies wrote:
Uh oh. Time to find somewhere to hide.


I don't know. Even if you were invisible, they'd find you. :-)

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 Post subject: Re: Dwarven Heartstone Question
PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 9:23 am 

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Thank you Henry for sharing new information about the Legion of the Black Sun.
A new adventure involving the Legion of the Black Sun would be really exciting.

val Holryn you were correct. They were not raised the normal way. Ancient mysteries abound in Arcanis, it always feel good learning the answer to one of them.
If someone mass raise dead a legion around 303 years ago, they must have had a reason.
My first thought runs to a weapon. Undead, even intelligent ones, can be controlled. Perhaps when called they will answer the call of a master, and do as commanded. Perhaps in their approximate 300 of undeath they have already been used already.
Perhaps a player with Blessed by Neroth, Chosen by Neroth, or a val'Mordane with the Bloodline power of being undead will have better chance of learning what they have been up to since being raised.

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 Post subject: Re: Dwarven Heartstone Question
PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 2:02 pm 

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val Holryn wrote:
Last bit of trivia I have about them: many of them are psions.


Makes you wonder how psionics works with undead when the supposed organ that gave them psionics may have long since rotted to dust.

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 Post subject: Re: Dwarven Heartstone Question
PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 2:20 pm 

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val Holryn wrote:
Makes you wonder how psionics works with undead when the supposed organ that gave them psionics may have long since rotted to dust.


That assumption is incorrect. If the undead val is Awakened, then that organ/gland/whatever-it-is doesn't decay. That has to do with the essence of what psionics is, which will be explained in the write up about psionics in Codex of the Mind (forthcoming).

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 Post subject: Re: Dwarven Heartstone Question
PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 3:29 pm 

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PCIHenry wrote:
toodeep wrote:
val Holryn wrote:
Makes you wonder how psionics works with undead when the supposed organ that gave them psionics may have long since rotted to dust.


That assumption is incorrect. If the undead val is Awakened, then that organ/gland/whatever-it-is doesn't decay. That has to do with the essence of what psionics is, which will be explained in the write up about psionics in Codex of the Mind (forthcoming).


I initially assumed that undead retained psionics for plot convenience, but it's nice to hear there will be a lore reason for it. It's always nice to see PCI flesh out the little details.

Also, can I go ahead and read the CotM? For research purposes, of course.

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 Post subject: Re: Dwarven Heartstone Question
PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 5:32 pm 

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vandom43 wrote:
Also, can I go ahead and read the CotM? For research purposes, of course.


Sure...if you backed the Arcanis 5E Campaign Setting Kickstarter you'll get a copy of the PDF. It's the 8th and final Stretch Goal achieved.

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 Post subject: Re: Dwarven Heartstone Question
PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 10:35 pm 

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PCIHenry wrote:
Sure...if you backed the Arcanis 5E Campaign Setting Kickstarter you'll get a copy of the PDF. It's the 8th and final Stretch Goal achieved.


Unfortunately, I was unable to participate in the Kickstarter, as I had only started Arcanis 5e after it had released (first mod was the Siege of Entaris, actually). I will definitely buy the book on release, though.

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 Post subject: Re: Dwarven Heartstone Question
PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 2:55 am 
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PCIHenry wrote:
Southernskies wrote:
Uh oh. Time to find somewhere to hide.

I don't know. Even if you were invisible, they'd find you. :-)
Uhh ... Tukufu can claim to have bomb shelters in different cities. That was an add on for a kickstarter somewhere wasn't it? Useful item? :P
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Since a soul is needed as a catalyst to create intelligent undead and the souls of these legionnaires have presumably gone on to either the Cauldron or the Paradise of the Gods long ago, how did they rise to take up arms against the Empire? Was it the curse of the Gods for the disrespect shown to Them by the Mad Emperor as many say, or was something else at play?

I'll give you a hint - something else was at play. :-)
What? WHATS THAT YOU SAY? The common story retold is not the Gods truth in Arcanis!?! Sir I am shocked. Just shocked you would imply such an impiety. And us all on a public forum... :P :P :P

Well, more seriously that's a genuinely interesting tidbit. Not sure how that puzzle piece fits into anything. I see a couple of options after ruminating on this but none of them immediately say "THIS" to me:

Option #1: Vault is really right and somehow they were undead all along but only became active after being "insulted." Solves the "soul mystery", but doesn't explain where they are and what they were doing. Or how they (must have) lost their standard. Or how they knew about what was happening in Coryani. I don't like Option 1 without a lot more data.

Option #2: Something big went down that raised them. In Eldest Sons we have the example of the lost val'Ossan navy that was turned into lacedons by the Kurenthe Curse in Seremas Harbor. The second worst thing to ever happen to Seremas. If so, we're necessarily talking about something as big as the Kurenthe Curse and you would THINK it would have been noticed. "Hey dude, did see the mountain that blew up last night? No brah, was too busy watching the sky weep green fire." Also super duper strange that it happens almost *exactly* at the same time that Quron val'Dellenov is insulting them/their standard. I don't like this option either without a lot more data.

Option #3: Based on prophesy, or forewarning of some kind, or just standard operating procedure the Legion of the Black Sun went into hibernation somewhere in Ufilia either as undead or with the intention to rise as undead. The conditions to reactivate were triggered when their standard got "looted" from their secret "hibernation pod" but they don't reactivate fast enough to catch the looter and only learn about where the standard is later when everyone talks about what the Mad Emperor did. This is thin but at least it doesn't need a lot more *something* to fill in giant holes that seem like deal breakers. It does beg the question of why they are hibernating? Are they on some kind of eternal guard duty and only check on things once a decade? (What are they guarding against?) Or did they know in advance they would be needed at some point to confront something. (And what is it?) Either would fit well with a bunch of OCD control freak obsessives... I do like this option. Doesn't mean its true but i see promise on this line of thought.

Option 4: Something I'm missing or something I don't have enough pieces yet to see ... always possible.

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 Post subject: Re: Dwarven Heartstone Question
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2020 5:58 am 

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PCIHenry wrote:
Southernskies wrote:
Uh oh. Time to find somewhere to hide.


I don't know. Even if you were invisible, they'd find you. :-)


Interesting. So the question becomes, what involvement/reason do the val'Cesari have to bring back the legion?


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