Lets look at the extra goddess in the fight question....

What if Kassegore IS the silence? I mean if he created all things, and is the destroyer of all things, he would in essence be the silence. Now if he created all things he created the gods. Which he would later destroy. But if Yig joins the PoM in the fight against Kassegore....

My theory about Kassegore is that he is Illir, or he was a part of Illir. Perfection's price.

I have always suspected that Umor is the creator God. Sort of like Umor is to Illir like Chronos is to Zeus.

That being said, when was Kassegore last heard from? What is Umor = Kassegore=Creator God. It would raise interesting questions about the "Yig is Anshar"

Here is a quote from the Ssethregor book, pg 102. It is what the "Daughter's of the Hidden Adder" (followers of Yig) profess to believe:


That story is the earliest indication we have heard about planning for and reaction to the coming of the Silence, and the PoM. If true, it gives us a lot of information about the goals/plans of Kassegore and Yig. Originally upon reading it I thought that it might indicate that something other than Umor might be the "Dark One" (my original thought was that it might be the sorcerer king), and Umor might be "misunderstood." I know some others have thought that Umor might have been Kassegore, but I don't think so. What convinced me that Umor was indeed the one that made the deal with the silence was this passage from the year 5 module from the last campaign, To Peel the Veil of Lightness and Dark.



Now that seems to indicate a pretty strong connection between the silence and the dark moon, right? Additionally, I found this in the The Theocracy of Canceri pg 15:



And while there is nothing direct there, there does seem to be a connection between the dark moon and the silence. Finally there is quite a bit of connection with the Dark Moon and the Silence in the year three story, "The Storm"



So, from the prophecy it seems clear that Kassegore is opposed to the silence, and from everything else it appears that the possible release of Umor trapped in the dark moon would be favored by the silence, it seems that it is unlikely that Kassegore is the silence or Umor. It also convinced me that Umor isn't misunderstood, he really is the big bad end of the world to the Silence. It doesn't answer who he was in relationship to the PoM - their "father"? Just one of them who grew in power by making deals with the Silence? An intruder? I'd love to hear what others think.

As for when Kassegore was last heard from? I believe that when the Val'Sosi were created one of their number was a Ssressen, and that afterward he then underwent a "purification ritual" where he died and came back santified by Kassegore. It is believed that Kassegore was directly involved in that process - so that would be the last time we saw a direct action by Kassegore that I know of.

There was a lovely prophecy that was released at Origins (doing this from my very hastily written notes):



Leaving aside the context of the prophecy, there is an interesting connotation of possibly divine forces 'fleeing' from one group to another. In terms of Anshar, perhaps something happened between her and Kassagore, and Yig no longer considered the ssethrics worthy of her and 'fled' them to the stronger Pantheon of Man and the humans?

The Other (Umor) is the greatest threat the world has ever faced, and even with the Gods of the Pantheon directly present and united together, the good guys barely won. Several of us agree about inferring from the stories that the Other is now imprisoned in the Dark Moon Aperio. It's less clear whether or how the Other is connected with Entropy, but it seems like he could be some sort of ally (in at least the enemy-of-my-enemy sense) of the Silence.

(We've diverted from the original discussion topic of this thread, but consideration of these points is an intellectual exercise and something that distinguishes Arcanis from all the standard fantasy RPG worlds that spell everything out in the sourcebooks.)

The PoM are the Good Guys? That is a matter of perspective. I seam to recall a lost gnome that would disagree with you on that point.

Question: Was Umor the most dangerous threat to the world, or to the Pantheon, or even to the coming domination of mankind? All we really know is that the Pantheon of Man believed him to be evil, but since the victor writes history, we cannot be sure

Well, from what I posted, we also "know" that there are strong indications that:
1. He cut a deal with "the enemy of his (Kassegore's) creations" peAr Kassegor's prophecy, and that Kassegore chose to oppose those forces as well - so it's not just the PoM that considers him evil.
2. When the Silence finally released him in the vision the heroes of light saw, the release appeared to destroy this plane. That seems "bad" in my book.

I was originally mulling over an idea that maybe Umor and the PoM had a disagreement about how to fight the Silence, not whether to, or some other dangerous disagreement that still didn't necessarily make him evil. But seeing the prophecy where he destroyed the world when released pretty much put and end to wondering whether he was a bad guy or not for me.

Here's a thought: Who's to say that agents of the Silence are spreading false rumors and prophecies to throw us off our game? Deception and misinformation are old tools of warfare and politics. I could be completely wrong here but it's something worth thinking about.