So in looking at the Hatchling cert and planing out how to build one I have noticed a problem.

The requirement of Val is on almost all the psionic backgrounds and paths. Is there an exception for the hatchlings? They are being taught by the val'Holryn Master of the Mind and holder of their Mentagi. So it is not like the training in paths and backgrounds is lacking in anyway. I think the val'Holryn are the perfect family to train the new hatchlings due to their own unique psionic talents are of all the val families.

The background Awakened Psion is restricted to race: Val.
The path Sword Sage is restricted to race: Val
The path Miliandisian Warmind is Restricted to Race: Val


An exception here would make it a lot easier to build these characters as they should be built.

Second Question As a Ss'ressen they already have some natural armor. The psionic spell of body of the Warrior is written assuming all psions are val and do not have natural armor already. The only spell that is written assuming natural armor is present is Scales of the Dragon.

Do we treat it like scales of the dragon and it increases AR by 1 instead of setting it to two? just a slight change in wording like scales of the dragon has will make the spell clearly useable for the hatchlings.

Spell options are more limited than the usual psion so I'm looking at how it will work with any powers. I was hoping for a heritage school that was more tailored to them and the fire dragon but that is further down the line in their evolution. Which makes a lot of sense story wise.

1) Psion is not restricted, and neither is Wilder.

2) Unless I'm mistaken the ss'Sosi already have Spontaneously Awakened (ta), so there is no point to take Spontaneously Awakened Scion (Pa)

3) The ss'ressen val'Sosi have NO tradition that would lead to a Sword Sage (please read the fluff), therefore it makes sense that they could not take Sword Sage. The race itself is only a few decades old so they simply have not had time to set this up. While the val'Holryn may be teaching them to use their powers, that does not mean that they will teach them EVERYTHING that they know.

4) Milandesian Warmind is the one thing that would probably be open to ss'Sosi in story, and may require an exception. That, alas, is a Henry call.

Body of the Warrior is a spell granting NAR, the other is an "Other" source. I would say that they stack since they are the same bonus from different sources. At worst if the value is higher as part of the spell it would 'subsume' the lower amount, which still makes it worthwhile at higher tiers of adaptation.

My unofficial thoughts:

It appears to me that Ven's Brood is hatched awakened and gets I mmediate support from the Val Holryn. So I would guess the right and easiest thing to do is say they meet the racial requirements for taking Awakened Scion, Milandesian War Mind and maybe Sword Sage.

I think the spell body of the warrior should do what it says it does...which isn't all that great for Ven's brood assuming you already get some NAR. But you've got other spells to choose from.

Ultimate, the source of all this is the wording that PCI used on the cert. If they are mentioned as being Vals (ie: Ss'ressen val'Sosi), then you could qualify as Vals for these Paths. If it just says that you are a Hatchling of Ven val'Sosi, that implies that you are related to a val, but not necessarily one yourself.

Cody...
I guess I will respond with your answer. Please read the fluff. Henry posted the story background to the Kickstarter and I think on the board here. I will quote the important point here...



I did not mention Spontaneously Awakened Path because it really doesn't apply as you said. So I'm not sure where that fits in this conversation.

I ment Awakened Scion the background though I said Awakened Psion. The background is restricted to Val.

Wilder also does not fit as they are people without training. As we see they are being trained with the val'Holryn Children. Please read the Wilder fluff, it is for people who have never been trained.

Sword Sage is viable because they are being trained by the val'Holryn. So it is plausable that they would learn the val'Holryn techniques.

Yes Psion is available, as I said in my originating message most backgrounds and paths require Val. I did not say all.

Good point.

It says I'm a Hatchling of Ven val'Sosi.

I'm just not sure what that means rules wise.

My apologies on the Background/Path confusion. Alas, some of these are simply too close together in names for quick differentiation, especially as many people use names interchangeably(ie: Smite Heretic/Smite Infidel).

I'll still hold to that unless said otherwise the ss'Sosi won't be trained in EVERYTHING that the val'Holryn know, such as Sword Sage (which I assume was designed as a way into the Val Family Psionic Traditions, if they ever get published). That doesn't mean they WON'T, but my read of the fluff is that the val'Holryn were teaching them to control their powers, but not anything else beyond that really.

The simple answer to this would be "The Hatchlings of Ven val'Sosi qualify as Vals for anything which is not specific to a particular Val family" in terms of Paths, Talents, and Backgrounds." However, because of how unique of cases these little snowflakes are, the simple answer may not be true.

Neither is a +NAR, so they overlap. Depending on other design choices, its not the best spell if you already have NAR.