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Author:  Harliquinn [ Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Unarmed Combat and Two Weapon Fighting

Thanks for all the drive-by clarifications, Pedro!

John

Author:  Hat [ Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:22 am ]
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Thanks Pedro. Nice to have something official.

With a sweep of his...

Hat

Author:  PCI_StatMonkey [ Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:39 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Unarmed Combat and Two Weapon Fighting

Harliquinn wrote:
Thanks for all the drive-by clarifications, Pedro!


:)

I'm working on an update to the FAQ/Errata doc over the weekend, once the rest of PCI has a stab at it I'll post it for general consumption/discussion before it goes official.

Author:  Harliquinn [ Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:51 am ]
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PCI_StatMonkey wrote:
Harliquinn wrote:
Thanks for all the drive-by clarifications, Pedro!


:)

I'm working on an update to the FAQ/Errata doc over the weekend, once the rest of PCI has a stab at it I'll post it for general consumption/discussion before it goes official.


Could you address the returning from vanquished state question here also? It might not be an Eratta but a clarification.

Question: Can all methods of healing (Skill, Talents like Leadership, and Spells) restore a PC from Vanquished? When can the target act next? Only the Heal Skill use specifies this.

Thanks

Author:  wilcoxon [ Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Unarmed Combat and Two Weapon Fighting

PCI_StatMonkey wrote:
while this may require some official errata to enforce, TWF + Unarmed should NOT be able to be preformed while benefiting from a shield.

I think the best way to do so would be to errata the two-weapon fighting talent.


What about Ss'ressen? If the off-hand attack is tail (unarmed or tail bracer), the shield arm is still free to do whatever is needed. I see no reason why Ss'ressen can't attack (TWF or not) with their tail and still benefit from a shield (and if they can't when using TWF then why can they when attacking just with their tail?).

Author:  SamhainIA [ Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Unarmed Combat and Two Weapon Fighting

Pedro, the simplest eratta / clarification would be to say that "unarmed fighting requires a and open hand or tail and two weapon fighting requires two open hands or an open hand and a tail."

Author:  Deviknyte [ Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Unarmed Combat and Two Weapon Fighting

SamhainIA wrote:
Pedro, the simplest eratta / clarification would be to say that "unarmed fighting requires a and open hand or tail and two weapon fighting requires two open hands or an open hand and a tail."

Does Unarmed require me to drop my sword first then?

Author:  Deviknyte [ Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:53 pm ]
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Pedro, this seems like an unnecessary ruling? Is it for balancing reasons? Because TWF is sub optimal for an Unarmed, any speed 3 weapon, or any exceptional speed 4 weapon. I don't see the harm to in a TWF keeping his shield bonus. They can TWF and cast unlike other Dual-Wielders, why not shield and TWF too. I feel it is another errata entry for no reason. There isn't really a balancing issue. Unarmed isn't the most impressive weapon. TWF with a speed 3 weapon in either hand is pointless. You take an attack penalty and a chance to have no available target for your second attack with no gain. Even Spinning Strikes counting it's damage isn't that impressive when speed 3 weapons are involved when you take into account the -2 penalty.

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Author:  Harliquinn [ Sat Dec 28, 2013 4:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Unarmed Combat and Two Weapon Fighting

deviknyte wrote:
Pedro, this seems like an unnecessary ruling? Is it for balancing reasons? Because TWF is sub optimal for an Unarmed, any speed 3 weapon, or any exceptional speed 4 weapon. I don't see the harm to in a TWF keeping his shield bonus. They TWF and cast unlikeot her twfers. I feel it is another errata entry for no reason.


The spreadsheet I made shows TWF is suboptimal for damage output regardless of weapons until you heavily invest in it with Balanced Blades, and combine Spinning Strikes with other bonus damage maneuvers.

John

Author:  SamhainIA [ Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:20 pm ]
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john then why did you make a stink about it?

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