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 Post subject: Re: Unarmed Combat and Two Weapon Fighting
PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:42 am 
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Thanks for all the drive-by clarifications, Pedro!

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 Post subject: Re: Unarmed Combat and Two Weapon Fighting
PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:22 am 

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Thanks Pedro. Nice to have something official.

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 Post subject: Re: Unarmed Combat and Two Weapon Fighting
PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:39 am 
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Harliquinn wrote:
Thanks for all the drive-by clarifications, Pedro!


:)

I'm working on an update to the FAQ/Errata doc over the weekend, once the rest of PCI has a stab at it I'll post it for general consumption/discussion before it goes official.

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 Post subject: Re: Unarmed Combat and Two Weapon Fighting
PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:51 am 
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PCI_StatMonkey wrote:
Harliquinn wrote:
Thanks for all the drive-by clarifications, Pedro!


:)

I'm working on an update to the FAQ/Errata doc over the weekend, once the rest of PCI has a stab at it I'll post it for general consumption/discussion before it goes official.


Could you address the returning from vanquished state question here also? It might not be an Eratta but a clarification.

Question: Can all methods of healing (Skill, Talents like Leadership, and Spells) restore a PC from Vanquished? When can the target act next? Only the Heal Skill use specifies this.

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 Post subject: Re: Unarmed Combat and Two Weapon Fighting
PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:21 am 

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PCI_StatMonkey wrote:
while this may require some official errata to enforce, TWF + Unarmed should NOT be able to be preformed while benefiting from a shield.

I think the best way to do so would be to errata the two-weapon fighting talent.


What about Ss'ressen? If the off-hand attack is tail (unarmed or tail bracer), the shield arm is still free to do whatever is needed. I see no reason why Ss'ressen can't attack (TWF or not) with their tail and still benefit from a shield (and if they can't when using TWF then why can they when attacking just with their tail?).

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 Post subject: Re: Unarmed Combat and Two Weapon Fighting
PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:55 pm 

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Pedro, the simplest eratta / clarification would be to say that "unarmed fighting requires a and open hand or tail and two weapon fighting requires two open hands or an open hand and a tail."

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 Post subject: Re: Unarmed Combat and Two Weapon Fighting
PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:33 pm 

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SamhainIA wrote:
Pedro, the simplest eratta / clarification would be to say that "unarmed fighting requires a and open hand or tail and two weapon fighting requires two open hands or an open hand and a tail."

Does Unarmed require me to drop my sword first then?


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 Post subject: Re: Unarmed Combat and Two Weapon Fighting
PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:53 pm 

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Pedro, this seems like an unnecessary ruling? Is it for balancing reasons? Because TWF is sub optimal for an Unarmed, any speed 3 weapon, or any exceptional speed 4 weapon. I don't see the harm to in a TWF keeping his shield bonus. They can TWF and cast unlike other Dual-Wielders, why not shield and TWF too. I feel it is another errata entry for no reason. There isn't really a balancing issue. Unarmed isn't the most impressive weapon. TWF with a speed 3 weapon in either hand is pointless. You take an attack penalty and a chance to have no available target for your second attack with no gain. Even Spinning Strikes counting it's damage isn't that impressive when speed 3 weapons are involved when you take into account the -2 penalty.

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 Post subject: Re: Unarmed Combat and Two Weapon Fighting
PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 4:55 pm 
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deviknyte wrote:
Pedro, this seems like an unnecessary ruling? Is it for balancing reasons? Because TWF is sub optimal for an Unarmed, any speed 3 weapon, or any exceptional speed 4 weapon. I don't see the harm to in a TWF keeping his shield bonus. They TWF and cast unlikeot her twfers. I feel it is another errata entry for no reason.


The spreadsheet I made shows TWF is suboptimal for damage output regardless of weapons until you heavily invest in it with Balanced Blades, and combine Spinning Strikes with other bonus damage maneuvers.

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 Post subject: Re: Unarmed Combat and Two Weapon Fighting
PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:20 pm 

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john then why did you make a stink about it?

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