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 Post subject: Grasp the Blade
PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:01 pm 
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I remember on the old forums there was a discussion about the weapon trick, "Grasp the Blade". (specifically, what it meant to "negate" an attack.) Does anyone remember what the consensus was? (Or if a consensus was ever reached?)

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 Post subject: Re: Grasp the Blade
PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:22 pm 

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sorry Scott i don't remember the discussion at all, can you give us the gist of the issue? (or is it what does Negate an attack" actually mean?

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 Post subject: Re: Grasp the Blade
PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:48 pm 
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I believe it was just treated as if they'd missed. That's the way it remains simple and straight forward.
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 Post subject: Re: Grasp the Blade
PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:51 pm 
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SamhainIA wrote:
sorry Scott i don't remember the discussion at all, can you give us the gist of the issue? (or is it what does Negate an attack" actually mean?
Essentially, the question is, "what does it mean to negate an attack?"

Does the attacker suffer all the normal speed and recovery (if any) from his attack, it just automatically misses? (Or does this work kind of like counterspell where the attacker can just do it again 1 tick later?)

If the attacker used a limited resource, like a smite ability, is the usage still used up?

stuff like that.

Harliquinn wrote:
I believe it was just treated as if they'd missed. That's the way it remains simple and straight forward.
I hope that's the answer, for simplicity's sake. But I couldn't remember and wanted to see if anyone else could.

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 Post subject: Re: Grasp the Blade
PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:06 pm 

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I cant see any reason why that wouldn't be the answer

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 Post subject: Re: Grasp the Blade
PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 12:02 am 
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All the attack choices are made. Then you negate the attack. I assume smites etc are wasted and that speed and recovery apply to the attacker.

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 Post subject: Re: Grasp the Blade
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That's what I remember as well: all the relevant costs were paid or expended and then it had no effect (otherwise you expend your grasp the blade and the guy who was smiting you just does it again the next tick)


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 Post subject: Re: Grasp the Blade
PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:24 pm 
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Correct,

It's as if they missed the attack... the attacker still pays all the speed and recovery for the failed attack...

Yes.. it can suck, a lot.. but you committed to the attack with all the "gusto" you would have if you would have it, as such, you suffer the full speed and recovery of that attack.

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 Post subject: Re: Grasp the Blade
PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:56 pm 
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The big question is (and I assume the answer is yes) does using grasp the blade negate the attack for all potential targets? So if a big bad used sweeping strike and you used grasp the blade, the entire attack is negated.

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 Post subject: Re: Grasp the Blade
PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:02 pm 

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Quote:
It's as if they missed the attack


John, I'm going to go with no

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