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 Post subject: Advanced Maneuevers questions
PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 12:20 am 
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1) Do Push maneuvers need to be combined with other Push maneuvers? Can a Push maneuver be combined with a regular maneuver?

2) Can a Melee weapon with the thrown property or with. Thrown trick be combined with a Melee trick at range?

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 Post subject: Re: Advanced Maneuevers questions
PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 12:32 am 

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My take would be:
  1. Yes. Push must be combined with Push.
  2. No. Thrown is ranged so it would have to be combined with another ranged trick/maneuver.

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 Post subject: Re: Advanced Maneuevers questions
PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:22 am 

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1 My take would be no unless specifically listed, the example I would use is Quick set

Quote:
Quick Set
Category: Base
Speed (Recovery): Push +* (3)
...Push your Clock Speed by the Speed of your weapon.


and say we combine it with pressing attack

Quote:
Pressing Attack
Category: Base
Speed (Recovery): +2 (0)


We take the slowest speed cost and and the other trick speed as additional recovery so in this case using a long spear (speed 6) we would get Push 6, Recovery 5

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 Post subject: Re: Advanced Maneuevers questions
PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:48 am 
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The problem isn't one of math in my opinion but of balance. There are some maneuvers that probably shouldn't be able to be used in response to an attack (combined with a Push).

Imagine: Combining Quick Set with Flowing Sand - You get charged, and now get to move your entire pace, making a ton of attacks as a Push action.

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 Post subject: Re: Advanced Maneuevers questions
PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:55 am 

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well the rules currently allow for A pound of Flesh / Elemental Bolt to be combined into a pretty grizzly AOE too

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 Post subject: Re: Advanced Maneuevers questions
PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:01 am 
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SamhainIA wrote:
well the rules currently allow for A pound of Flesh / Elemental Bolt to be combined into a pretty grizzly AOE too


Except I think it's been made clear that you only get healed for the damage from the pound of flesh part, hasn't it?

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 Post subject: Re: Advanced Maneuevers questions
PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:03 am 
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And if we're using spells to extrapolate, I do not believe you can combine a Push Spell with a normal casting Spell by the rules.

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 Post subject: Re: Advanced Maneuevers questions
PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:14 am 

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i still havent found that rule anywhere

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 Post subject: Re: Advanced Maneuevers questions
PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:18 am 
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If it isn't in the rules, I think it should be. Spells or Maneuvers with Push are special cases and allowing them to be combined with non-Push spells and maneuvers I think will result in some balance-challenged combinations. I don't think they should be changed to "Advanced" because you could combine 2 push spells or maneuvers.

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 Post subject: Re: Advanced Maneuevers questions
PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:25 am 

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but if they arent, you have to let people do things with them that make sense

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