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 Post subject: Re: Rebuke
PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:03 pm 
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If it does not have range 0', Self, or Melee, then it DOES provoke. As written, the spell provokes Free Strikes.

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 Post subject: Re: Rebuke
PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:13 pm 
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Nierite wrote:
If it does not have range 0', Self, or Melee, then it DOES provoke. As written, the spell provokes Free Strikes.


I would wager quite a bit that the absence of 0' or Self is a typo in this spell and other spells that list just a Radius and no range. Unless you're going to start letting casters use these spells at an arbitrary range they are obviously centered on the Caster.

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 Post subject: Re: Rebuke
PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:15 pm 
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Either that, or it was designed from the get-go to provoke and the lack of a 0/self/melee was intentional to reflect this. We need to have the rules-guys state one way or another, but as written right now it provokes.

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 Post subject: Re: Rebuke
PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:20 pm 
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Nierite wrote:
Either that, or it was designed from the get-go to provoke and the lack of a 0/self/melee was intentional to reflect this. We need to have the rules-guys state one way or another, but as written right now it provokes.


That's a very obscure and confusing way to indicate that if that was the intent.

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 Post subject: Re: Rebuke
PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:21 pm 
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On the issue of range or provoking my vote is: typo. I don't think the spell is meant to provoke.

OTOH I find Devin's arguments about the initial casting relevant. Going to strongly reduced the utility of this spell. Perhaps just as well. In the Joppa BI my Nierite, Eisner, more or less shut down the tunnel scene with this spell.

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 Post subject: Re: Rebuke
PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:49 pm 
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I would say that our tables have basically run it the same as Josh did.

The issue of push through also comes up with some of the Wards such as ward against the Unnatural. I believe that we assigned a speed of 2 to push through as an incidental addition to their action if the action succeed or failed.

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 Post subject: Re: Rebuke
PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:25 pm 

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One does not suffer a Free Strike for sustaining a spell (unless performing some other action that qualifies), and as written, Radius Spells provoke upon casting.


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 Post subject: Re: Rebuke
PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:41 pm 
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PCI Eric wrote:
One does not suffer a Free Strike for sustaining a spell (unless performing some other action that qualifies), and as written, Radius Spells provoke upon casting.


Just to clarify, the spells that just specify Range: X' Radius (which by default extends from the caster) are separate "ranges" from 0' (X' Radius) and Self (X' Radius) and provoke Free Strikes? Just double checking. Thanks

In addition, could you elaborate on the spell in question regarding "Initial targets" and targets that encounter the radius after casting?

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