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| Author: | MaurLysander [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Gladiatorial Armor |
Why does the Gladiator get armor he can not use? It is not a National Armor for any of the Former Gladiator might be from. |
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| Author: | MaurLysander [ Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gladiatorial Armor |
Still waiting for some kind of answer so I thought I would say something so I could move this topic higher on the list. |
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| Author: | Nierite [ Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gladiatorial Armor |
Gladiators are meant for show, and so is there armour. National Armours are what a nation's military would use, or common gear that a soldier would be familiar with from that nation. |
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| Author: | MaurLysander [ Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gladiatorial Armor |
It would seem that with all the Weapon Proficiencies you get you could at least be able to use the only armor you have access to at the start. It just does not make sense for you to have armor you can not use if you are able to call yourself a former gladiator you must have been good since you were given it when you left in must have been the armor you fought with. So why does my gladitor have armor he can not use? |
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| Author: | val Holryn [ Thu Dec 05, 2013 5:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gladiatorial Armor |
MaurLysander wrote: Why does the Gladiator get armor he can not use? It is not a National Armor for any of the Former Gladiator might be from. Uh, sabotage by anti arena Milandesians? You know the Milandesians are a pushy lot, eager to tell you how to live a moral life?  Or it could be an over site that needs errata... |
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| Author: | SamhainIA [ Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gladiatorial Armor |
I wasnt sure what armor and nationalitys you were referring to exactly , so I put this on a backburner. I would guess other people did similarly.... the more info you provide the quicker you are likely to get a response. it also looks like your asking about design decisions and if you want an actual answer it might be a while before a qualified person responds |
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| Author: | MaurLysander [ Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gladiatorial Armor |
Under Archetypes for Arcane, Expert, and Martial you (such&such) Armor Proficency in your REGIONAL armor as seen in table 2-27. MOST backgrounds give you some type of armor to start out with in it's items list. In the "Former Gladiator" background that armor happens to be Gladiatorial Armor. However the Background also has the requirement to be from Almeric, Coryani Empire, or Hinterlands. None of those Nations have Gladiatorial Armor as choice on table 2-27. What that means for the player is that your character has been training and fighting in their armor for a good long time. Long enough to retire/win their freedom. They get to walk away with some silver, three gladiatorial weapons, travelers kit, and the Gladiatorial Armor on their back (they don't even get common garb). Because, the armor is not listed on table 2-7 they can't even use the armor they trained in. I can think of three errata fixes. 1. Add Gladiatorial Armor to those three Nations. (This is an easy rules fix but does not fit the flavor text or I think the intent of Gladiatorial armor) 2. Add the Talent - Armor Proficiency: Gladiatorial Armor to the Background Former Gladiator. (This one makes the most sense but some might see it unfair because it gives the Gladiator an ungodly amount of talents as they have separate Weapon Training Talents in all the Gladiator weapons.) 3. Change the rules for the item itself by adding some sort of statement. That Gladiator Armor is considered to be any type of light Armor but one must specify the type of base armor. (I think this one fits well with the flavor text of the armor but I think this one would definitely make Pedro cringe  )
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| Author: | Nierite [ Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gladiatorial Armor |
1. Gladiator armour would not be national armour because it is specialized. For the same reason why a War fan or a net wouldn't be standard weapons. They are specialist tools, so it would be inappropriate for that classification. 2. I can get behind this fix, but for balance you'd have to choose one of the weapon talents to drop which could be an issue. After all, unless you want to add a Flaw or something, you don't want to have too many talents in a specific background. 3. Gladiator armour (pg 248) which is functionally the same as Studded Leather. You either have to take Armour Proficiency, Light (ta) and choose Gladiator armour as one of your choices, or simply sell your Gladiator armour for 2 Sc. |
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| Author: | MaurLysander [ Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gladiatorial Armor |
Nierite wrote: 1. Gladiator armour would not be national armour because it is specialized. For the same reason why a War fan or a net wouldn't be standard weapons. They are specialist tools, so it would be inappropriate for that classification. 2. I can get behind this fix, but for balance you'd have to choose one of the weapon talents to drop which could be an issue. After all, unless you want to add a Flaw or something, you don't want to have too many talents in a specific background. 3. Gladiator armour (pg 248) which is functionally the same as Studded Leather. You either have to take Armour Proficiency, Light (ta) and choose Gladiator armour as one of your choices, or simply sell your Gladiator armour for 2 Sc. 1. I agree 2. I agree with this but that seems to be complicated fix to drop one of the them. You would have to change the wording from Talents: Blood and Sand, Weapon Training (Cestus), Weapon Training (Dagger), Weapon Training (Gladius), Weapon Training (Light Spear), Weapon Training (Net), and Weapon Training (Great Trident) to something like Talents: Blood and Sand, Choose six of the following: Weapon Training (Cestus), Weapon Training (Dagger), Weapon Training (Gladius), Weapon Training (Light Spear), Weapon Training (Net), Weapon Training (Great Trident), and Armor Proficiency (Gladiatorial Armor) In reality I think having all that weapon training is too much and would love to see it narrowed down to a choice of 4 or 5 of the above choices I just wrote. 3. I am not following you here. Are you saying that if you are trained in Studded Leather you automatically are trained in Gladiatorial armor? That does not necessarily fix the problem. The problem is that as a Former Gladiator you have armor that by all intents and purposes you should be trained to use but for some reason you are not. Coryani Gladiators would not get the training in Studded Leather. The other way I am reading what you said is that you are Forced to waste a talent that you should not have to take because by all intents and purposes you should already be trained for it. You are a Gladiator you so have been using Gladiatorial armor your entire majority. Because of a slip in the rules you suddenly lose the ability the moment you walk out of the arena. That makes absolutely NO sense. I have a forth fix. 4. Change the item list under Former Gladiator from "Gladiatorial Armor" to "Any Light Armor from your starting nation" This fix may loose some flavor but does not cheat the player mechanics wise. |
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| Author: | PCIHenry [ Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gladiatorial Armor |
Hello, There is no need for errata. A reading of the Former Gladiator background under nationality states: "Choose from arena locations" with the key words being arena location. I take that to mean that for the armor, your "regional armor" is gladiatorial armor. true, I'm stretching the meaning of the wording a bit, but that was the intent. You are "from" the arena and while you may have trained in Coryan, Canceri or the Hinterlands, you picked up your martial skills in the arena. As you'll note, specific weapons are picked out for you. The simplest solution is that you forgo any other type of armor and are trained and own gladiatorial armor. Done. |
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