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Blessed Lands - Runic Warrior
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Author:  Hood [ Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:46 am ]
Post subject:  Blessed Lands - Runic Warrior
Want to make sure I am understanding this correctly:

Under talents I see that Runic Tattoo is a limited skill talent.

Under the Runic Warrior path, I see you pick up this talent at the Initiate and Master levels. But nowhere in the path description does it say something along the lines of "this talent is no longer a limited talent for you". So am I correct in my understanding that currently a character has no way within the game mechanics to pick up more than two Runic Tattoo talents? At least, until some future book is possibly released with a new path with options to pick up more? Or am I missing something here?
Author:  Nierite [ Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Blessed Lands - Runic Warrior
Nierite wrote:
You are correct. Runic Tattoo should read at the end:

Special: Once you acquire this Talent, it is no longer a Limited Talent for you.
Author:  Dante [ Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Blessed Lands - Runic Warrior
It looks to me like the Runic Warrior is a way for armor-less characters to pay a price in talents (and a Path) instead of money. Anyone who has the money can pay for fine or exceptional noble garb and put runes on it. Tultipetans and Khitanimen who take the path can instead do without the ultra-fancy clothes and put runes on their bodies. Moreover, the talents don't allow exceptional runes till Tier V, whereas clothing offers that option at a lower (rune-based) tier, albeit at exorbitant price. Is that a correct (albeit simplified) way of looking at it?
Author:  wilcoxon [ Thu Mar 10, 2016 9:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Blessed Lands - Runic Warrior
Dante wrote:
It looks to me like the Runic Warrior is a way for armor-less characters to pay a price in talents (and a Path) instead of money. Anyone who has the money can pay for fine or exceptional noble garb and put runes on it. Tultipetans and Khitanimen who take the path can instead do without the ultra-fancy clothes and put runes on their bodies. Moreover, the talents don't allow exceptional runes till Tier V, whereas clothing offers that option at a lower (rune-based) tier, albeit at exorbitant price. Is that a correct (albeit simplified) way of looking at it?


I wouldn't even call it that exorbitant. Iirc, exceptional noble's garb costs 20 Gc which, to me, is far "cheaper" than 5 talents.
Author:  Nierite [ Thu Mar 10, 2016 9:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Blessed Lands - Runic Warrior
But far less durable ;)
Author:  toodeep [ Thu Mar 10, 2016 9:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Blessed Lands - Runic Warrior
Nierite wrote:
But far less durable ;)


But also far less likely to explode, as I recall....
Author:  wilcoxon [ Fri Mar 18, 2016 3:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Blessed Lands - Runic Warrior
One other potential problem I noticed with Runic Warrior is that it requires 6 ranks in each of Knowledge (Arcanum), Knowledge (Metaphysics), and Melee. However, it can be very difficult (impossible?) to gain 6 ranks in those 3 skills before the end of tier 1 but, if you don't start Runic Warrior in tier 1, you won't be able to take Runic Tattoo 2 until Tier 3 (and you must make sure to take it before taking Master Runic Warrior or else you can never get Runic Tattoo 5).
Author:  acurrier [ Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Blessed Lands - Runic Warrior
Why not take the talent twice in a tier? I don't see the problem.
Author:  wilcoxon [ Fri Mar 18, 2016 11:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Blessed Lands - Runic Warrior
acurrier wrote:
Why not take the talent twice in a tier? I don't see the problem.


I'd love to but it's not allowed by the rules:
Quote:
Tiered: Tiered Talents possess one to five Tiers. When you first take the Talent, you learn its Tier I ability. Once per subsequent Tier you may take the same Talent again to learn the Talent’s next Tier ability provided your Hero Tier is at least as high.


The problem is the "once per subsequent tier". The only way around this is to take the talent once and then find a path that grants the talent.

I'd love to see this errata'd as it causes all kinds of issues unless you fully plan out your character from day 1.
Author:  Hat [ Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Blessed Lands - Runic Warrior
wilcoxon wrote:
<snip>
Quote:
Tiered: Tiered Talents possess one to five Tiers. When you first take the Talent, you learn its Tier I ability. Once per subsequent Tier you may take the same Talent again to learn the Talent’s next Tier ability provided your Hero Tier is at least as high.


<snip>I'd love to see this errata'd as it causes all kinds of issues unless you fully plan out your character from day 1.


Unless there are specific exceptions made for specific tiered talents, I can't imagine this will change. Early playtesting didn't have that requirement until we pointed out to Pedro the amount of abuse that a player could do with spellcasting talents. Imagine an expert at Tier IV deciding what to do next and deciding to become a caster. If they already have Prestidigitation and pick a path that opens up spellcasting, over the course of 6 ranks they can move from casting basic universal spells to Tier IV spells (Path, 2 skills at 2 ranks/skill, Any 2 Talents - Sabatical (+1 casting), A(D)SC I, Any 1 Talent - A(D)SC II, Any 1 Talent - A(D)SC III, Any 1 Talent - A(D)SC IV. For that matter, if they've taken the long game they could already be maxing out the skill before then removing the need for the skill selection then and depending on background might not even need the Path either. It also makes becoming a full double caster far easier which isn't a good path either.

Arguably the highest tiered talents represent a lifetime of dedication to that element if it's an every tier tiered talent (ex. Weapon Mastery, Stealthy, spellcasting).

With a sweep of his hat,

Paul
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