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Author: | wilcoxon [ Sun Feb 28, 2016 12:37 am ] |
Post subject: | order of applying die bumps? |
What final strength would a Gnome with d12 Strength, Enlarged Hands, and a Rune of Might have when making an unarmed attack?
I would hope not #1 or #4 as that would make Enlarged Hands far less useful. On #3 vs #4, it's unclear on if the limitation of "max d12+2" applies to 2d6 or not. 2d6 die is not covered in the main rulebook that I can find. |
Author: | Southernskies [ Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: order of applying die bumps? |
:edit: Looks like 'none of the above' unless you have access to Powerful Attribute as you cannot bump above 1d12+2 without it. The Rune bump seems to be included for completeness when used by Threats. pg170 wrote: Die Bump: Some spells or Talents may provide you with a Die Bump. Die Bumps can be conceivably applied to any die roll in the game, and unless otherwise noted are capped at d12. Thus, if you use a Talent that grants a Die Bump to Insight when using a particular skill you simply use the next highest die. If the die is already a d12, you instead gain a +2 bonus to the affected die roll. Quote: Enlarged Hands: Your hands are abnormally large and powerful, making any fine manipulation difficult to say the least. Any time you attack with your bare hands, you gain a Die Bump to your Might (maximum of d12+2), but you suffer a Die Penalty to any Quickness Action Skill Rolls that depend on using your hands. Quote: Might Rune:
... Unlike a standard Die Bump, if you possess d12 Might, your Might increases to 2d6 instead. ... Special: If this Rune is used in combination with any spell or Talent which grants a Might Die Bump, the effects do stack to a maximum potential of 2d8. |
Author: | Taffy [ Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:15 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: order of applying die bumps? |
so if you have an attribute of 1d12+2 (lets say might) and you have furious rage (die bump to might) it has no affect because you are already at maximum? |
Author: | Southernskies [ Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: order of applying die bumps? |
That seems to be the case. The only other exception I could find was weapon size categories. pg.238 wrote: Size Categories The weapons presented in this chapter are of average size. But there are times where the heroes might face larger creatures wielding massive weapons. Weapons gain a Die Bump to their base weapon damage for each category above Average, without increasing the weapon's Speed. Unlike a heroes die bump which caps at d12+2, weapons which deal 1d12 deal 2d6 instead which each die increasing by one additional size category per die bump. Thus a Huge Scythe, Speed 7, d12 weapon would deal 2d10 (Mi) as a Speed 7 attack. pg.91 wrote: Die Bumps and Die Penalties
Both Die Bumps and Die Penalties may end up being applied to any die roll. A Die Bump increases any die it is applied to by one step and is capped at d12 unless otherwise noted. If the Die Bump is applied to a die that is already a d12, you gain a +2 bonus to the die roll instead. A Die Penalty reduces the die type by one step to a minimum of d4. If a Die Penalty is applied to a die which is already a d4, you suffer a -2 penalty to the die roll instead. |
Author: | Southernskies [ Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:12 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: order of applying die bumps? |
I've been re-reading a few things and have changed my position (should have quoted all of the Might Rune in the previous post; editing above post). Base Might: d12 Might Rune + Enlarged Hands = 2 die bumps (using the specific rules of the Might Rune) == 2d8 MIGHT die The order does not appear to matter, as the rules for the Rune are specific. HOWEVER: You must have a Base Might of d12 (before adjustment) to gain the benefits (a Might stat of 11). Specific to our Gnome friend: Normal damage = d12+2 Might (Base d12 + Enlarged Hands; core rules) Active Rune damage = 2d8 Might (Base d12 + Might Rune + Enlarged Hands; specific rule) Specific to Furious Rage: Normal damage = d12+2 Might (Base d12 + Furious Rage; core rules) Active Rune damage = 2d8 Might (Base d12 + Might Rune + Furious Rage; specific rule) |
Author: | wilcoxon [ Fri Apr 08, 2016 5:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: order of applying die bumps? |
That makes sense to me. However, my next question is what happens if you only have a d10 base Mi die (since you said you must have d12 to begin with)? Does it end up as d12+2 or as 2d6? |
Author: | Southernskies [ Sat Apr 09, 2016 12:58 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: order of applying die bumps? |
D12+2 |
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