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| Author: | Eric Hughes [ Sun Jul 26, 2015 6:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | So I have this crazy spell.... |
I was playing around with my precalculated CTN spreadsheet and I came up with a wild base spell. I want to make certain that I have this calculated correctly. Farstrike+Adaptation Alterarea+Adaptation Selective Spell+Adaptation Lingering Spell+ Spell Affinity Farstrike. By my count this is: Base CTN 27 Speed 11 (Sustain 11) Strain 18 Range 0 Area 20' radius Target Avoidance Effect: Target all targets in range with melee attack except for 4 allies (Passive logic = 4) |
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| Author: | toodeep [ Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: So I have this crazy spell.... |
Eric Hughes wrote: I was playing around with my precalculated CTN spreadsheet and I came up with a wild base spell. I want to make certain that I have this calculated correctly. Farstrike+Adaptation Alterarea+Adaptation Selective Spell+Adaptation Lingering Spell+ Spell Affinity Farstrike. By my count this is: Base CTN 27 Speed 11 (Sustain 11) Strain 18 Range 0 Area 20' radius Target Avoidance Effect: Target all targets in range with melee attack except for 4 allies (Passive logic = 4) Break that down a little more: CTN = Base 20 + 4 + 3 + 4 -2 = 29 Speed = Weapon speed 4 (excep broad sword + Base 2 + 2 + 1 + 0 +0 = 9 Strain = Base 5 + 3 + 5 + 2 + 0= 15 Range = 15' cone (adaptation: alter area talent changes it 0) Area = adaptation: alter area talent changes it to 10' radius Targets avoidance Notes: This uses 4 different talents, none of the adaptations are adaptation from the spell. Additionally, adaptation: select spell requires that the spell has a duration of instantaneous, while adaptation: lingering arcanum makes it sustained (for one additional time, with a occurrence rate of the original casting speed). I am not sure if adaptation: select spell still can apply after applying lingering arcanum because of this. Is all that math correct? |
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| Author: | Southernskies [ Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: So I have this crazy spell.... |
A couple of problems. 1. 20' radius is not a valid area. (pg.347 list). Even though its in the adaptation description. 2. Selective Spell is not compatible with Lingering Spell. Lingering changes it to a Sustained spell, and Selective Spell requires it to have a duration of Instant. Probably more useful to go with a more basic spell: Far Strike + Expand Area (25' cone) + Adapt:Lingering Spell + Spell Affinity CTN: 24 Speed (St): Wpn+5 (+6) Sustain 5 (once only) Or even just: Far Strike + Expand Area (25' cone) + Delay Strain CTN: 20 Speed (St): Wpn+3 (+6) |
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| Author: | Harliquinn [ Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: So I have this crazy spell.... |
Here's what I come up with: Effect. CTN / Spd (Str) Farstrike: 20 / +2 (+5) Alter Area: +4 / +2 (+3) Selective: +3 / +1 (+5) Lingering: +4 / +0 (+2) Affinity: -2 Final: 29 / Weapon +5 (+15) Now the area can be only 10' Radius as that's the biggest Standard area (pg. 347). The spell isn't interruptible, since it's made in conjunction with a melee attack. The Strain doesn't start to tick down until after the Recovery. You can apply Selective before Lingering. That's what I see anyway. John |
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| Author: | Eric Hughes [ Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: So I have this crazy spell.... |
Yes that is the math that I came up with. The CTN 27 was after applying spell affinity. I was using an exceptional broadsword, so weapon speed 4. As for the lingering spell vs selective spell... RAW would have it that you can apply selective first. But I think -original intent- will prove that they are not compatible. Anyhow I certainly won't combine them now that I know there is a potential judges call regarding them. Thanks for the quick input guys. |
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| Author: | Southernskies [ Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: So I have this crazy spell.... |
Order of applying adaptations only matters regarding eligibility. Spell Adaptations must be applied first. Talent adaptations must all be eligible at the end of the build. |
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| Author: | toodeep [ Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: So I have this crazy spell.... |
Eric Hughes wrote: Yes that is the math that I came up with. The CTN 27 was after applying spell affinity. I was using an exceptional broadsword, so weapon speed 4. Nope, check the math. CTB 29 after the spell affinity. 31 before. I think. |
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| Author: | Eric Hughes [ Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: So I have this crazy spell.... |
doh applied spell affinity twice |
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