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 Post subject: So I have this crazy spell....
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 6:15 pm 

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I was playing around with my precalculated CTN spreadsheet and I came up with a wild base spell. I want to make certain that I have this calculated correctly.

Farstrike+Adaptation Alterarea+Adaptation Selective Spell+Adaptation Lingering Spell+ Spell Affinity Farstrike.

By my count this is:

Base
CTN 27
Speed 11 (Sustain 11)
Strain 18
Range 0
Area 20' radius
Target Avoidance

Effect: Target all targets in range with melee attack except for 4 allies (Passive logic = 4)

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 Post subject: Re: So I have this crazy spell....
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:22 pm 

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Eric Hughes wrote:
I was playing around with my precalculated CTN spreadsheet and I came up with a wild base spell. I want to make certain that I have this calculated correctly.

Farstrike+Adaptation Alterarea+Adaptation Selective Spell+Adaptation Lingering Spell+ Spell Affinity Farstrike.

By my count this is:

Base
CTN 27
Speed 11 (Sustain 11)
Strain 18
Range 0
Area 20' radius
Target Avoidance

Effect: Target all targets in range with melee attack except for 4 allies (Passive logic = 4)


Break that down a little more:
CTN = Base 20 + 4 + 3 + 4 -2 = 29
Speed = Weapon speed 4 (excep broad sword + Base 2 + 2 + 1 + 0 +0 = 9
Strain = Base 5 + 3 + 5 + 2 + 0= 15
Range = 15' cone (adaptation: alter area talent changes it 0)
Area = adaptation: alter area talent changes it to 10' radius
Targets avoidance

Notes: This uses 4 different talents, none of the adaptations are adaptation from the spell. Additionally, adaptation: select spell requires that the spell has a duration of instantaneous, while adaptation: lingering arcanum makes it sustained (for one additional time, with a occurrence rate of the original casting speed). I am not sure if adaptation: select spell still can apply after applying lingering arcanum because of this.

Is all that math correct?

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 Post subject: Re: So I have this crazy spell....
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:26 pm 
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A couple of problems.

1. 20' radius is not a valid area. (pg.347 list). Even though its in the adaptation description.
2. Selective Spell is not compatible with Lingering Spell. Lingering changes it to a Sustained spell, and Selective Spell requires it to have a duration of Instant.


Probably more useful to go with a more basic spell:

Far Strike + Expand Area (25' cone) + Adapt:Lingering Spell + Spell Affinity
CTN: 24
Speed (St): Wpn+5 (+6) Sustain 5 (once only)

Or even just:
Far Strike + Expand Area (25' cone) + Delay Strain
CTN: 20
Speed (St): Wpn+3 (+6)

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 Post subject: Re: So I have this crazy spell....
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:27 pm 
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Here's what I come up with:

Effect. CTN / Spd (Str)
Farstrike: 20 / +2 (+5)
Alter Area: +4 / +2 (+3)
Selective: +3 / +1 (+5)
Lingering: +4 / +0 (+2)
Affinity: -2
Final: 29 / Weapon +5 (+15)

Now the area can be only 10' Radius as that's the biggest Standard area (pg. 347). The spell isn't interruptible, since it's made in conjunction with a melee attack. The Strain doesn't start to tick down until after the Recovery. You can apply Selective before Lingering.

That's what I see anyway.

John

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 Post subject: Re: So I have this crazy spell....
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:51 pm 

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Yes that is the math that I came up with. The CTN 27 was after applying spell affinity. I was using an exceptional broadsword, so weapon speed 4.

As for the lingering spell vs selective spell... RAW would have it that you can apply selective first. But I think -original intent- will prove that they are not compatible. Anyhow I certainly won't combine them now that I know there is a potential judges call regarding them.

Thanks for the quick input guys.

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 Post subject: Re: So I have this crazy spell....
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:16 pm 
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Order of applying adaptations only matters regarding eligibility.

Spell Adaptations must be applied first.
Talent adaptations must all be eligible at the end of the build.

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 Post subject: Re: So I have this crazy spell....
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:37 pm 

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Eric Hughes wrote:
Yes that is the math that I came up with. The CTN 27 was after applying spell affinity. I was using an exceptional broadsword, so weapon speed 4.


Nope, check the math. CTB 29 after the spell affinity. 31 before. I think.

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 Post subject: Re: So I have this crazy spell....
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:54 pm 

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doh applied spell affinity twice

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