Eldar and Primal spells

Southernskies · **Joined:** Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:06 am **Posts:** 991

Quote:

Special: Elder practitioners have access to a small number of
spells available to Primal and Eldritch casters. Elder casters
increase the Speed of such spells by +1 and reduce the Strain
by -1 to reflect the different teachings of this Arcanum.

How are these spells determined? I look through and can't find any spells that meet the requirement.

Nierite · **Posted:** Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:15 pm

This refers to any spell in the Elemental, Control, and Creation tradition that doesn't have (Elder) beside it.

Just from the ARPG at Tier 1 . . .

Black Ice
Call to Arms
Entangling Webs
Flash
Storm of Knives
Confound
Halt
Mind Link
Earthen Shied
Elemental Bolt
Gail Force Winds
Heat Wave
Earthen Spikes

Southernskies · **Joined:** Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:06 am **Posts:** 991

Need to go and re-do my spell list, then...

SamhainIA · **Joined:** Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:36 am **Posts:** 1554

I disagree, the only tradition that both Elder and Primal casters have access to is Elemental, so Elemental spells that dont have primal next to them are affected by that rule not all of their traditions.

Nierite · **Posted:** Wed Jun 17, 2015 11:09 am

You are half correct: The rule is for ELDRITCH and Primal, and Eldritch do have Creation. Control, however, you are correct and I dun goofed.

So, the corrected list is (at Tier 1, only from the ARPG):

Black Ice
Call to Arms
Entangling Webs
Flash
Storm of Knives
Earthen Shield
Elemental Bolt
Gail Force Winds
Heat Wave
Earthen Spikes

SamhainIA · **Joined:** Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:36 am **Posts:** 1554

it takes a team of us to get there some times but we got there

toodeep · **Posted:** Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:15 pm

but psions and elder both have control, so there is still the same issue with having to alter the speed/strain of non-elder specific spells of the control tradition, right?

Nierite · **Posted:** Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:17 pm

Page 342 of the Core Book wrote:

Special: Elder practitioners have access to a small number of
spells available to Primal and Eldritch casters. Elder casters
increase the Speed of such spells by +1 and reduce the Strain
by -1 to reflect the different teachings of this Arcanum.

Nope, their shared spells with Psionics are fine.

wilcoxon · **Joined:** Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:12 pm **Posts:** 1037

Nierite wrote:

Page 342 of the Core Book wrote:

Special: Elder practitioners have access to a small number of
spells available to Primal and Eldritch casters. Elder casters
increase the Speed of such spells by +1 and reduce the Strain
by -1 to reflect the different teachings of this Arcanum.

Nope, their shared spells with Psionics are fine.

That does seem odd. Elder increase Speed and decrease Strain but Psionic do not - but the rule doesn't mention Psionic (just Primal and Eldritch). On the other hand, I'm not sure how many spells Elder shares with Psionic but not with Primal/Eldritch.

toodeep · **Posted:** Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:51 pm

wilcoxon wrote:

Nierite wrote:

Page 342 of the Core Book wrote:

Special: Elder practitioners have access to a small number of
spells available to Primal and Eldritch casters. Elder casters
increase the Speed of such spells by +1 and reduce the Strain
by -1 to reflect the different teachings of this Arcanum.

Nope, their shared spells with Psionics are fine.

That does seem odd. Elder increase Speed and decrease Strain but Psionic do not - but the rule doesn't mention Psionic (just Primal and Eldritch). On the other hand, I'm not sure how many spells Elder shares with Psionic but not with Primal/Eldritch.

Transmutation and Control tradition are shared with Psionics. Elemental and Creation are shared with Eldritch. So it's an even split. I had always thought they had the penalty to the traditions that overlapped with psionics as well, but I guess not.

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