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 Post subject: val'Vasik and val'Holryn
PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 3:21 am 

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Is the val'Vasik bloodline an option for val'Holryn PCs with the val'Vasik cert?

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 Post subject: Re: val'Vasik and val'Holryn
PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 4:39 am 
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I really hope the answer is no, simply because that would end up telling us something very interesting about the val'Holryn and the val'Vasik.

I don't see why you couldn't, but of course I'm no one important.

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 Post subject: Re: val'Vasik and val'Holryn
PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 7:18 am 
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As I recall Xabal created the line after the Godswall went up. Since the val'Holryn predate that I think the answer is no. But like Akira I'm no one official, but also curious to see what that answer might be. Especially since I often play val'Holryn.

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 Post subject: Re: val'Vasik and val'Holryn
PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 8:29 am 

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Again, no one official, but I would say the answer is no for a few reasons.

1. The val'Vasik were a Kickstarter option. To allow for the val'Holryn to be able to use their bloodline abilities would I expect feel like a letdown to the people who paid for them.
2. I don't recall that the val'Vasik bloodline abilities are published anywhere. Without documentation available to all players attempting to use the bloodline abilities seems outside the rules.
3. From a story perspective if the val'Holryns have been manifesting the val'Vasik bloodline abilities I think that would have raised questions a long time ago about what family line they were manifesting.

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 Post subject: Re: val'Vasik and val'Holryn
PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 10:09 am 

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Hello Paul,

Encali wrote:
Is the val'Vasik bloodline an option for val'Holryn PCs with the val'Vasik cert?


No, that is not an option. Sorry.

Henry

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 Post subject: Re: val'Vasik and val'Holryn
PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 2:08 pm 

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I didn't think so, for the storyline reasons, but since I was asked, I figured I would get an official answer. It was actually story ramifications that piqued my curiosity when it was brought before me.

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 Post subject: Re: val'Vasik and val'Holryn
PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 2:29 pm 
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For reference, Henry has also stated that players cannot take Ul Bloodlines with the val'Holryn, and their powers seem to be restricted to the "Big 13".

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 Post subject: Re: val'Vasik and val'Holryn
PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 2:36 pm 

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I guess it's time to rebuild Eryk (not hard since he's 1.1 with all of 3 mods under his belt so far and has only used his val ability once). I knew val'Holryn could not take Ul powers but assumed (incorrectly) that val'Vasik was legal (being val). Partly I just didn't have any other use for the val'Vasik cert I bought. We'll see if Eryk becomes val'Vasik (more changes) or simply stays val'Holryn and changes his power set...

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 Post subject: Re: val'Vasik and val'Holryn
PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 11:17 pm 
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The Val Holryn cannot (as I understand it) emulate powers of bloodlines that have come out after their "creation." They only emulate bloodlines that were there when they were created. So the Val Vasik are obviously out. But the public doesn't know when the Val H were created...in some other cases with other rarer bloodlines it's a more interesting question.

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 Post subject: Re: val'Vasik and val'Holryn
PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 11:24 pm 
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val Holryn wrote:
The Val Holryn cannot (as I understand it) emulate powers of bloodlines that have come out after their "creation." They only emulate bloodlines that were there when they were created. So the Val Vasik are obviously out. But the public doesn't know when the Val H were created...in some other cases with other rarer bloodlines it's a more interesting question.


So goes the story, but I still have my doubts. After all, we know that the ul'Shi and val'Tai were contemporaries of the first references to the val'Holryn (the first historical reference to the val'Holryn happens during the Theocracy of the Cleansing Flame, and these two families were First Imperium families).They still could have been founded after, though this would mean the val'Holryn were founded during the First Imperium, and may even be part of the 'first founding' of Val families.

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