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 Post subject: Re: Variety of questions
PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 1:51 pm 

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One important point (that isn't official yet) that may affect things is Murderous Precision is being changed (Tier 1 & 5) in the upcoming errata (that's been pending for at least 6 months). On a quick read, it looks like the change at Tier 1 is requiring Tactical Edge to use.

I believe you can combine MP with Charge because MP is not a maneuver, weapon trick, etc.

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 Post subject: Re: Variety of questions
PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 4:09 pm 
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Ah, I wasn't aware, thanks for the heads up. Is there any place I can see what errata are pending?

Also, are we privy to the reasoning behind this rule change? It seems to me that until you get to Tier 5, the real value of murderous precision is to help with crowd control, and in that sense I think melee types already have much fewer options where as spell casters have several options (ie Castigate, Concussive Wave, etc). With melee you're really down to Steel Rain or Sweeping Strike, if you can qualify for it.

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 Post subject: Re: Variety of questions
PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:08 pm 
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With a little digging I found a link to the ask the stat monkey/errata document.

FYI, I also noticed on page one of the document a clarification on the die dump rules for weapons that deal multiple damage die, specifically, a flintlock rifle will bump from 2d12 to 2d12+4.

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 Post subject: Re: Variety of questions
PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:29 pm 
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I don't have books in front of me but it seems that the stacking rules are not as forgiving as you make out. You get the best static bonus from your talents. They don't all pile up. Exceptions (like Wepon Mastery 1) are clearly spelled out.

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 Post subject: Re: Variety of questions
PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:44 pm 

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val Holryn wrote:
I don't have books in front of me but it seems that the stacking rules are not as forgiving as you make out. You get the best static bonus from your talents. They don't all pile up. Exceptions (like Wepon Mastery 1) are clearly spelled out.


I think that is correct. If you look at the FAQ stacking bonus clarification on page 12 of the FAQ, it discusses this. So what was shown earlier:
"Base damage + wolf pack tactics + advanced tactics + charge bonus + murderous precision (passive insight)"

Would be Base damage + maneuver damage (charge bonus) + talent bonus (probably murderous precision)

Advanced tactics is an advancement of wolf pack tactics, which is why it gives +2, and definitely doesn't stack with wolf pack. So you can get +2 whenever wolf pack applies, or + passive insight once per scene when using murderous precision; but not both because they are both static bonuses from talents, and thus don't stack.

But that is only my interpretation, I could be wrong.

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 Post subject: Re: Variety of questions
PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:50 pm 
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Hmmm, had to hunt it down, but I found the rule you are referencing at the bottom of Page 170 in ARPG. Would the passive Insight from Murderous Precision be considered a static bonus as well? If so I might scrap this whole combat style altogether since there doesn't seem to be many advantages to it.

Guess there's a reason why most of my local group plays casters.

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 Post subject: Re: Variety of questions
PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:07 am 
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Hood wrote:
Hmmm, had to hunt it down, but I found the rule you are referencing at the bottom of Page 170 in ARPG. Would the passive Insight from Murderous Precision be considered a static bonus as well? If so I might scrap this whole combat style altogether since there doesn't seem to be many advantages to it.

Guess there's a reason why most of my local group plays casters.


MP is worth having for gacking common (and minion) humanoids. Such foes don't show up in every fight but they show up a lot in the campaign. My main character from the Crusade arc had it. And it was always great when it went off. Spell Casting is great for clearing minions...less cool for dealing with multiple common foes. And you run into strain issues...

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 Post subject: Re: Variety of questions
PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:44 am 
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I don't mean to say that MP is useless. I just don't know that it's worth spending two talents in order to be able to use it, especially if it doesn't stack with other talent bonuses, and especially if I can only use it if I have tactical edge. Instead of taking Waylay and MP, I could train Sweeping Strikes and Unbalancing Attack and have some good options that could do just as well or better than MP without all the restrictions.

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 Post subject: Re: Variety of questions
PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 8:11 am 
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Errata just went live (finally).

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