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| Author: | wisper [ Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Charge Question |
FAQ wrote: Question: Can I combine the basic Charge Maneuver with another Martial Maneuver? Answer: No, as stated under Attack Actions (top of Page 310) “Attack Actions which are specifically noted as a combat maneuver may not be combined with any other combat maneuver” This statement needs to be clarified or something needs to be added to errata. I have been told that you couldn't charge and do a Marital Technique either. Such as a doing a trip foe or sweeping strikes. Is this true? I can see how two-weapon fighting couldn't be used as it is on the same table as charge and is considered a combat maneuver. As such would spinning strikes not be allowed either. I would assume as it uses TWF as a base combat maneuver. [quote="CRB pg 311] Table 3-2 Simple Combat Maneuver’s Speed cost Action Speed (Recovery) Charge +3 (3) Disarm +3 (2) Feint +2 (2) Grapple Unarmed/Natural Weapon Speed Shove Unarmed/Shield Weapon Speed (2) Trip +3 (2) Total Defense +0 (4) Two-Weapon Fighting +2/+2 (2)* Wild Assault +0 (3) *See description for special rules.[/quote] |
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| Author: | Hat [ Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Charge Question |
wisper wrote: FAQ wrote: Question: Can I combine the basic Charge Maneuver with another Martial Maneuver? Answer: No, as stated under Attack Actions (top of Page 310) “Attack Actions which are specifically noted as a combat maneuver may not be combined with any other combat maneuver” This statement needs to be clarified or something needs to be added to errata. <snip> The simplest solution likely is to define the default combat maneuvers that cannot be combined as Advanced rather than Basic and update the Errata accordingly. With a sweep of his hat, Paul |
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| Author: | wisper [ Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Charge Question |
I quite agree with assessment Hat. I know you combine and Advanced MT with the Base/Standard CM as well. I only mention this as I used Trip Foe as an example. Would be nice to change from base/standard to advanced or at least give me a list here of them so they can be utilized. CRB pg 310 wrote: A character may opt to use a Combat Maneuvers. Combat Maneuvers consists of Simple Combat Maneuvers (pg. 311), Weapon Tricks (pg. 260), Marital Techniques (pg. 266), or many combinations thereof. this pretty much means we need a list of what can be used with the maneuvers as I read it means any can be combined. Which contradicts the above FAQ. |
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| Author: | wilcoxon [ Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Charge Question |
It is relatively clear if you read the book carefully. However, the terms are confusing. Advanced Maneuvers can be constructed from Base maneuvers but the maneuvers from the chart with Charge are Basic or Simple maneuvers (not Base) and so can not be combined to form Advanced Maneuvers. TWF is a special case as it exists both as a Basic/Simple maneuver and as a Base maneuver (if you have the talent). The Basic/Simple version can not be combined but the Base version can (but most combinations only affect the main-hand attack and not the off-hand attack per another FAQ). |
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| Author: | wisper [ Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Charge Question |
It's not clear there are no base combat maneuvers in the book. There are base martial techniques, which I don't swe as base combat. The simple ones are base, the list in my first post, to me those are all base. |
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| Author: | wilcoxon [ Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Charge Question |
But they aren't base because they aren't listed as base. The only things that can be combined are base maneuvers (which I think are all techniques or tricks) and/or 5-10' move. The simple combat maneuvers (charge, non-technique TWF, etc) can't be combined with anything. Since this isn't clear to you (and presumably others), it may be worth adding to the next FAQ version (or possibly the current one since it still hasn't been released). |
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| Author: | wisper [ Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Charge Question |
I get what your saying, but a Marital Technique or Trick in my opinion is not a base combat maneuver, because you need to be trained in it. It would be a base Technique or Trick. Cause technically there is one simple combat maneuver that is missing and that is a normal attack. Now I get why it's not on the list, because it would make it impossible to do a Technique or Trick ever, but it is a simple combat maneuver as well in my opinion. What really brings this up is the question I quoted at the beginning. If someone asks a specific question, you shouldn't answer just quoting the rule book. Maybe just expand a little more, because obviously they are not understanding the book. |
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| Author: | wilcoxon [ Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Charge Question |
Yes, I'm pretty sure the entire list you provided in the original question are Simple Combat Maneuvers and so can't be combined (except as noted TWF is also a Base maneuver if you have the talent so it can be combined in that case (as can Spinning Strikes)). Sorry, yes, I can see how I could have expanded more in my responses. |
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| Author: | val Holryn [ Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Charge Question |
My understanding is that none of the simple or "base" maneuvers can be combined to for an advanced maneuver. |
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