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 Post subject: Re: Stances and Talents
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:03 pm 
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I don't think it was the intent that the sentence override what "Limited" means.

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 Post subject: Re: Stances and Talents
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:20 pm 

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in the light that I helped edit the book I'll try to help, I would guess Pedro or Eric wrote that section and they may or may not respond (or it might take them a while).

I think your trying to phrase it in a manner that would indicate you believe that you can take Limited martial techniques, by using the Martial advancement "Gain the Learn Martial Technique Talent, twice".

It is interesting that they used "Warrior advancement option", they might have meant martial, they might be referring to something not published ( it happens from time to time ), it might also refer to different advancement options not published. it could be a complete error and wasn't meant to be there.

as it stands there are quite a few places in the books where some opportunities were not thought out to a logical conclusion, Words of Power is a great example of one that we caught, the text "Special (Access): This Talent is no longer Limited for you." was added because it was originally only possible to get the first two tiers of this talent, someone else pointed out recently the order of the phoenix also has a similar issue with the companion talent being difficult to advance to t5, things happen, I would think it perfectly reasonable that they may have meant for that text to indicate you had taken a path advancement and the path granted you the maneuver.

Additionally, I would encourage you to examine the relative power level of making such a thing available. using arcane strike as an example, a Martial character could conceivably take this around 1.5 as a LMT 2x advancement (in your rules)
A similar character with out your interpretation of the rules would have a much more difficult time getting that talent (as the fighting style has more restrictive requirements than the talent), has to be in a fighting style to use said talent (all styles are considered stances) and is restricted to fighting style weapons / armor and other style restrictions.

lastly I think if they intended to allow Learn Martial Technique 2x to be able to take [Limited] techniques, that would be a big change from what [Limited] means in other places, and they would have made more of an effort to spell that out clearly.

So no, I do not think your interpretation of that text is correct and [Limited] means [Limited] in pretty much the say way over the books.

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 Post subject: Re: Stances and Talents
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:29 pm 

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Harliquinn wrote:
I don't think it was the intent that the sentence override what "Limited" means.


I think it was defining what [Limited] means in relation to maneuvers, as these are the first limited maneuvers to be printed. Without a definition any Path that grants Learn Martial Technique should grant you the ability to take any [Limited] maneuver, as Archetype, Background, and Path talents ignore all requirements and [Limited]

To be clear, I am not trying to do anything but clarify the intent and the as written of the rules.

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 Post subject: Re: Stances and Talents
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:33 pm 
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Talen Drake wrote:
Harliquinn wrote:
I don't think it was the intent that the sentence override what "Limited" means.


I think it was defining what [Limited] means in relation to maneuvers, as these are the first limited maneuvers to be printed. Without a definition any Path that grants Learn Martial Technique should grant you the ability to take any [Limited] maneuver, as Archetype, Background, and Path talents ignore all requirements and [Limited]

To be clear, I am not trying to do anything but clarify the intent and the as written of the rules.


I am 99% sure that the intent of the wording was not for Learn Martial Technique to bypass "Limited" restriction. I would err on the said of caution before building a character around this. It was clarified several times that the ability to 'ignore requirements' did not ignore requirements/restrictions based upon Race, Tier, or Limited, but did ignore things such as Attribute minimums, pre-requisite Talents, and pre-requisite Skills.

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 Post subject: Re: Stances and Talents
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:37 pm 
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I found the reference and it's in the (upcoming) Errata document:

For the purposes of Archetypes (Which I assume will extend to Path/Background) "regardless of requirements with the exception of limited Talents, Talents above Tier I, and racial limitations"

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 Post subject: Re: Stances and Talents
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 2:05 pm 
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It's funny, but the current (old) Errata specifically mentions Forward Stance and Smite Infidel not stacking :)

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